View entire thread: How to smooth a rough glass edges into a sparkling smooth su
Posted by Martin H. Eastburn on Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:55 AM Post subject: Re: How to smooth a rough glass edges into a sparkling smoot
Plexiglas does get flame polished - I have done it in school. 1/4" thick glass bead finish 8" circle.
Something of a plastic window that wasn't clear. Often the circles would have a melted spot - the touch between limp and
char is on a fast angle IIRC - rapid change and a quick eye to extract in time. I think polish - slow and cool is the
best way. Martin Martin H. Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH
& Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker &
member http://lufkinced.com/ mike1942f wrote: [quote:8867ca9a43]Just to clarify "flame polished" on acrylic
was a metafor, meaning the edge on acrylic that looks like flame polished on glass. Since acrylic goes limp at about
225F and chars at about 450F (like paper), unless someone has slid something by me, it can't be flame polished. It is
normally polished with buffing wheels a lot like glass but a lot faster. The image of the project had gone away by the
time I saw it, but my light weight experience growing up with magic effects and illusions suggests this is being made a
lot harder than it should be. Unless the glass is pretty much held in place, the oil is not going to work as it will get
all over everything. And is pretty much not needed, I suspect. If nothing else, you need to go to one of the places
that cuts and grinds and polishes glass for table tops and handle some of their samples of edge finishing and see how
closely they fit together. Bob May wrote: Glass can be had in waterwhite if needed but I'd rather use the plain green
glass for this trick as it will tend to hinder the viewing of the oil on the glass surface as the viewer would tend to
understand green glass a lot better and when the edge disappears due to the oil, he'll be more believing of the trick. A
flame polished edge of an acrylic sheet won't be flat enough to do the oiling trick on the edges either so you need to
polish them with the abrasive techniques and make sure that the edge is good and square - you will still have the
location of the edge marked with a V if you don't get that edge square. -- Why do penguins walk so far to get to their
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View entire thread: Beading and a scare
Posted by Georgia on Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:45 PM Post subject: Re: Beading and a scare
Shirley, I am so sorry you had to go through this, but I'm glad all's well. Have a relaxing day! Georgia "Shirley
Shone" <shirley@allcrafts.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:hVYrE4EXLNUFFw7r@allcrafts.demon.co.uk...
[quote:269ce034e2]I sat down yesterday morning, Our 52nd wedding anniversary to do some bead work. My heart went into
over drive doing 99 bonk. Then a heavy pressure in my chest. DH rang our GP who could not see me until the afternoon.
Pain got worse so DH put me in the car and rushed me to the hospital where I had my bypass and stents. My heart rate had
gone up to 144 beat per minute. I spent 24 hours in hospital, fortunately no damage done to my heart but it has left me
feeling very shaky. The bead project will have to wait. It was a very frightening experience. Hugs Shirley who lost one
of her nine lives. LOL -- Shirley Shone shirley@allcrafts.demon.co.uk
http://www.allcrafts.demon.co.uk[/quote:269ce034e2]
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Posted by Dr. Sooz on Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:45 PM Post subject: Re: Beading and a scare
Nah, you didn't lose one of the 9. Just got nearby and waved to it. So glad you're better, Shirley -- tell your dang
heart to stop scaring us! LOVE LOVE LOVE Sooz ```````````````````````````````` Shirley Shone wrote:
[quote:2059de5405]I sat down yesterday morning, Our 52nd wedding anniversary to do some bead work. My heart went into
over drive doing 99 bonk. Then a heavy pressure in my chest. DH rang our GP who could not see me until the afternoon.
Pain got worse so DH put me in the car and rushed me to the hospital where I had my bypass and stents. My heart rate had
gone up to 144 beat per minute. I spent 24 hours in hospital, fortunately no damage done to my heart but it has left me
feeling very shaky. The bead project will have to wait. It was a very frightening experience. Hugs Shirley who lost one
of her nine lives. LOL -- Shirley Shone shirley@allcrafts.demon.co.uk
http://www.allcrafts.demon.co.uk[/quote:2059de5405]
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Posted by Gina Bull on Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:45 PM Post subject: Re: Beading and a scare
That GP should have directed you to the ER immediately! You don't fool around with such things (and thank goodness you
didn't). So many physicians *still* don't think "heart problem" when a woman has these symptoms. We have to
take care of ourselves, because many in the medical community are behind the times. <rant on> Ladies, did you
know that a woman's heart attack symptoms may be dismissed as indigestion? We often don't have that "pain in the
arm" that many men have. Instead, we may have nausea and neck pain. So don't be "brave" if you get
suddenly sick ... go to the ER! And don't let them tell you to sit and wait while the "emergencies" are dealt
with, because YOU are having the emergency. <rant off> Back to your beading, now. Gina Shirley Shone wrote:
[quote:fe9482acc7]I sat down yesterday morning, Our 52nd wedding anniversary to do some bead work. My heart went into
over drive doing 99 bonk. Then a heavy pressure in my chest. DH rang our GP who could not see me until the afternoon.
Pain got worse so DH put me in the car and rushed me to the hospital where I had my bypass and stents. My heart rate had
gone up to 144 beat per minute. I spent 24 hours in hospital, fortunately no damage done to my heart but it has left me
feeling very shaky. The bead project will have to wait. It was a very frightening experience. Hugs Shirley who lost one
of her nine lives. LOL [/quote:fe9482acc7]
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View entire thread: Beading and a scare
Posted by Shirley Shone on Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:45 PM Post subject: Beading and a scare
I sat down yesterday morning, Our 52nd wedding anniversary to do some bead work. My heart went into over drive doing 99
bonk. Then a heavy pressure in my chest. DH rang our GP who could not see me until the afternoon. Pain got worse so DH
put me in the car and rushed me to the hospital where I had my bypass and stents. My heart rate had gone up to 144 beat
per minute. I spent 24 hours in hospital, fortunately no damage done to my heart but it has left me feeling very
shaky. The bead project will have to wait. It was a very frightening experience. Hugs Shirley who lost one of her nine
lives. LOL -- Shirley Shone shirley@allcrafts.demon.co.uk http://www.allcrafts.demon.co.uk
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View entire thread: Kathy NV and Mary (meijhana)??? Arondelle?
Posted by Arondelle on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:29 PM Post subject: Re: Kathy NV and Mary (meijhana)??? Arondelle?
Shelby D wrote: [quote:3a851a84a6]ANybody hear from these two lately? As I read through and try to reacquaint myself
with everyone I had the oddest feeling that I was missing someone and then I realized that it's more than one someone!
[/quote:3a851a84a6] ::waves:: I'm still around, but I haven't been doing much beading -- or newsgroup reading. I've
been trying to get back in the groove, but my energy is really low. When I do have energy, it comes in short spurts
during which I drive myself nuts trying to figure out which project to take on first before I poop out again. I've
also been struggling to get my website moved to a new host. The main site (http://www.arondelle.com) is mostly up and
running, as is my blog (http://blog.arondelle.com). The bead site need a total redesign, and I'm trying to figure out
how to take advantage of my new access to databases, server side apps, and other fun stuff. So, keep on truckin',
Girlfriends. Meanwhile, I need to go take a power-nap.... Arondelle (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) --
"Supermodels. Hah! Nothing 'super' about them - spoiled, stupid little stick figures with poofy lips who think only
about themselves. "Feh! I used to design for GODS!" Edna Mode: "The Incredibles"
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View entire thread: AD: Debi's Auctions are Up!
Posted by Su on Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:11 PM Post subject: Re: AD: Debi's Auctions are Up!
Teresa wrote: [quote:7b244f8841]A few weeks ago I started a thread about Debi Manning and the trouble she is having
with loosing her home. The glass bead and jewelry designers have really banned together and donated a huge amount of
items to help Debi and her son. Kim Neely put the auctions together and they are spectacular! If you haven't seen them
yet, take a look! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbluffroadglassQQhtZ-1 There are so far 25 auctions running, the
generosity of these communities is really overwhelming and I want to thank each and every one of you who have sent items
in, made cash donations or are now bidding on all the goodies! [/quote:7b244f8841] Mike and I had a look at Kim's page
about the donations and were just overwhelmed by the generous support of the lampwork community. What an amazing
project, and so well-deserved too. -Su
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View entire thread: great big beautiful beady doll
Posted by Valerie on Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:07 PM Post subject: Re: great big beautiful beady doll
lol, I hear ya on that one. I've got an ever on-going project that hasn't been worked on it months. Actually I need to
go seed bead shopping and get a few colors to work on it more, but you know how that goes too. ;-) Never find the time
or when I do I never remember. -- Valerie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.valeriebeads.com Come join
OrphanBeads, sales and trading for the financially challenged beader! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orphanbeads
"Sarajane Helm" <sjpolyclay@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:L8SdnQuy0KMaDSrZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com... [quote:513d3da647]Thank you! When working on Very Big Projects,
sometimes ya just have to work on other things for a while...eventually, theres a LOT going on! And once in a while,
things actually get finished! -- Sarajane's Polyclay Gallery Beads-Dolls-Wearable Art http://www.polyclay.com See the
progress at "Pieces" http://www.polyclay.com/store.htm "Valerie" <valeriebeads@adelphia.net>
wrote in message news:rZmdneIqtuWInirZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@adelphia.com... lol! Easy isn't very spectacular is it? ;-)Your
labor of love is spectacular! -- Valerie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.valeriebeads.com Come join OrphanBeads,
sales and trading for the financially challenged beader! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orphanbeads "Sarajane
Helm" <sjpolyclay@comcast.net> wrote in message news:E9ydnZOiy-aeNyvZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Easy"? Whats that, Valerie???? And thanks! SJ -- Sarajane's Polyclay Gallery Beads-Dolls-Wearable Art
http://www.polyclay.com See the progress at "Pieces" http://www.polyclay.com/store.htm "Valerie"
<valeriebeads@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:486dnZu3d8YNzyjZnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@adelphia.com... Thanks
Sarajane! What an undertaking! You sure don't make things easy for yourself do you? lol! Very cool! -- Valerie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.valeriebeads.com Come join OrphanBeads, sales and trading for the financially
challenged beader! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orphanbeads "Sarajane Helm" <sjpolyclay@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:rL6dnZih6bMonijZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com... sure thing, Valerie, here she is:
http://www.polyclay.com/Golde.htm -- Sarajane's Polyclay Gallery Beads-Dolls-Wearable Art http://www.polyclay.com See
the progress at "Pieces" http://www.polyclay.com/store.htm "Valerie"
<valeriebeads@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:HPGdnV_vgIMSFinZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@adelphia.com... Ack, I missed
it. Can you repost the URL Sarajane? -- Valerie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.valeriebeads.com Come join
OrphanBeads, sales and trading for the financially challenged beader! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orphanbeads
"Sarajane Helm" <sjpolyclay@comcast.net> wrote in message news:cvGdnY4m-
ootfi7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com... Thank you Mark! With polymer clay, there's always something for everybody. --
Sarajane's Polyclay Gallery Beads-Dolls-Wearable Art http://www.polyclay.com See the progress at "Pieces"
http://www.polyclay.com/store.htm "Mark" <beadgemlove@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152497502.475713.253460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... Well, not necessarily my cup of tea but I did really like
the necklace at the bottom of the page. I can tell that you have spent some time working on all of this and really like
different, creative designs. Kudos for creativity and originality! :) Mark [/quote:513d3da647]
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View entire thread: ABS to metal adheiseive
Posted by Brian Lawson on Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:56 PM Post subject: Re: ABS to metal adheiseive
Hey Boris, Maybe you have solved this already, but you might try: <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/> and, for
Valco Cincinnati multi-purpose sealant, type the part number in the little box in the left mid-upper 09-00277
2 oz tube or 09-00278 for 7oz. size blurb says:
.......................................................................................................... Valco
Cincinnati multi-purpose sealant is a paste-like, one component material that cures to a tough, rubbery solid upon
exposure to moisture in the air. Because it doesnt flow due to its own weight, this sealant can be applied overhead or
on sidewall joints and surfaces without sagging, slumping or running off. It adheres to clean metal, glass, most types
of wood, silicone resin, vulcanized silicone rubber, ceramic, natural and synthetic fiber, and painted and many plastic
surfaces. Valco mutli-purpose sealant has good resistance to weathering vibration, moisture, ozone and extreme
temperatures. It may be applied in subzero weather without loss of extrusion or physical property characterisitics and
is effective to -46°C (-50°F). Fully cured Valco multi-purpose sealant can be used for extended periods at temperatures
up to 204°C (400°F), and for shorter periods as high as 218°C (425°F)
......................................................................................................... Good luck.
Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:09:45 -0400, Boris
Mohar <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote: [quote:4721b44e42]On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:30:07 -0700, "Roger
Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com wrote: You need to think about the nature of the joint. If you for instance run a
bead of silicone on window glass, it is not much to peel off the glue from the window. If you ran a bead of silicone on
the sidewalk the same would also be true. But if you smeared the surface of a sheet of glass with silicone and pressed
it to the side walk it would be stuck but good. In your question you have a 3 inch tube inside of a slightly larger
hole and not a great deal of pressure. when the silicone or epoxy cures it is going to have a lot of surface area and
should retain your tube without any trouble. There is one aspect of this bond that I have not described. One end of
the SS tube will have a SS bottom welded to it and the other end will be glued into an ABS adapter topped of with two
ABS hose barb fittings. The function of this vessel is a catch can for condensing and collecting blowby gasses and oil
moist form a turbocharged car. One barb connects to the crankcase while the other goes to the turbo inlet. There is a
drain and internal SS scouring pads trap. I was bit concerned not only with mechanical bond but with chemical
resistance to the witches brew that comes out of crankcase. I could have made the whole thing out of ABS but I wanted
some cooling of the catch can to achieve better condensation. I could have made it out of Aluminum but I yet have to
learn how to TIG Aluminum. Besides, the rest of the modifications were done in SS so it kind of goes together.
Catchcan pictures are not in yet but rest of the project is here: http://www.viatrack.ca/TURBOMAN/ This would not have
been completed yet (well it will really never be really completed) without the diligent help of some members here. --
Boris Mohar [/quote:4721b44e42]
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Posted by Roger Shoaf on Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:39 AM Post subject: Re: ABS to metal adheiseive
Either silicone or epoxy when cured are impervious to gasoline, motor oil, diesel fuel or transmission fluid. I think
if it were me designing the box as you describe, where the thin box was attached to the 3 inch stainless tube, I would
make a collar from ABS and solvent bond the collar to the ABS box. The collar would be split and either a large hose
clamp or perhaps a collar clamp could mechanically grab the stainless tube, the silicone would be just a sealant. For
the barb fittings I would change the design a little bit also. I would solvent bond a stiffener section to the box, and
then drill and tap the holes to accept a tapered pipe thread. Here again, the actual plastic to metal bond would be
mechanical, and the silicone would only be a sealant. Another factor to consider is that ABS might not be a good choice
for the chemical resistance. Look at this: http://www.rtpcompany.com/info/guide/resistance.htm ABS is listed here as
being poor in the chemical resistance department to hydrocarbons. Another problem could be if the temperature causes
some mischief. IIRC crank case oil should run about 200 F. If you look at this: http://www.matweb.com/reference/
deflection-temperature.asp you might be running into a problem with the temperature especially if you are running hard
and your oil temp is running high. Perhaps HDPE might be a good choice, but that has a lower melting point, and
fabrication becomes tricky because you can't glue the stuff. Vacuum forming might get you something but I think the
cheap and easy route would be a metal box. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back
in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. "Boris Mohar" <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca>
wrote in message news:1sigi21jiucgqmlfgra1bid4fm0j775m3a@4ax.com... [quote:07c70acddb]On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:30:07 -0700,
"Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com wrote: You need to think about the nature of the joint. If you for
instance run a bead of silicone on window glass, it is not much to peel off the glue from the window. If you ran a bead
of silicone on the sidewalk the same would also be true. But if you smeared the surface of a sheet of glass with
silicone and pressed it to the side walk it would be stuck but good. In your question you have a 3 inch tube inside of
a slightly larger hole and not a great deal of pressure. when the silicone or epoxy cures it is going to have a lot of
surface area and should retain your tube without any trouble. There is one aspect of this bond that I have not
described. One end of the SS tube will have a SS bottom welded to it and the other end will be glued into an ABS
adapter topped of with two ABS hose barb fittings. The function of this vessel is a catch can for condensing and
collecting blowby gasses and oil moist form a turbocharged car. One barb connects to the crankcase while the other goes
to the turbo inlet. There is a drain and internal SS scouring pads trap. I was bit concerned not only with mechanical
bond but with chemical resistance to the witches brew that comes out of crankcase. I could have made the whole thing out
of ABS but I wanted some cooling of the catch can to achieve better condensation. I could have made it out of Aluminum
but I yet have to learn how to TIG Aluminum. Besides, the rest of the modifications were done in SS so it kind of
goes together. Catchcan pictures are not in yet but rest of the project is here: http://www.viatrack.ca/TURBOMAN/ This
would not have been completed yet (well it will really never be really completed) without the diligent help of some
members here. -- Boris Mohar -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com [/quote:07c70acddb]
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Posted by Boris Mohar on Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:09 AM Post subject: Re: ABS to metal adheiseive
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:30:07 -0700, "Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote: [quote:117f40520b]You
need to think about the nature of the joint. If you for instance run a bead of silicone on window glass, it is not much
to peel off the glue from the window. If you ran a bead of silicone on the sidewalk the same would also be true. But
if you smeared the surface of a sheet of glass with silicone and pressed it to the side walk it would be stuck but good.
In your question you have a 3 inch tube inside of a slightly larger hole and not a great deal of pressure. when the
silicone or epoxy cures it is going to have a lot of surface area and should retain your tube without any trouble.
[/quote:117f40520b] There is one aspect of this bond that I have not described. One end of the SS tube will have a SS
bottom welded to it and the other end will be glued into an ABS adapter topped of with two ABS hose barb fittings. The
function of this vessel is a catch can for condensing and collecting blowby gasses and oil moist form a turbocharged
car. One barb connects to the crankcase while the other goes to the turbo inlet. There is a drain and internal SS
scouring pads trap. I was bit concerned not only with mechanical bond but with chemical resistance to the witches brew
that comes out of crankcase. I could have made the whole thing out of ABS but I wanted some cooling of the catch can to
achieve better condensation. I could have made it out of Aluminum but I yet have to learn how to TIG Aluminum.
Besides, the rest of the modifications were done in SS so it kind of goes together. Catchcan pictures are not in yet
but rest of the project is here: http://www.viatrack.ca/TURBOMAN/ This would not have been completed yet (well it will
really never be really completed) without the diligent help of some members here. -- Boris Mohar -- Posted
via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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View entire thread: On hand piecing and crazy quilting...
Posted by Lisa Caryl on Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:33 AM Post subject: Re: crazy quilting... and morels
[quote:9fdd729a39]I am jealous of your Morel hunting. It wasn't a good year for us, too dry last winter. I noticed
that your husband carries his haul in a plastic bag. We always did too until I read that you should use an open weave
type sack, an onion sack or the like. The article said the spores will drop through and make more mushroom fields next
year. [/quote:9fdd729a39] I read about the spore bags this year too, so we changed how we carry the mushrooms out. The
good thing was that our plastic bags did end up with rips and tears in them, so hopefully we did drop some spores while
we used them. We didn't take in a big haul, not like some people who came home with 20+ lbs. Just enough to enjoy for 3
or 4 meals. I was happy with that. [quote:9fdd729a39] And girls, you will notice that there are no distinguishing
landmarks as to where Lisa hunts for her beloved Morels. Mushroom hunting is kind of like diamond hunting. You guard
your "Good Spots"! Right, Lisa? [/quote:9fdd729a39] Lol.....uhm.....it's in Iowa, ya, that's it. Iowa......
:-D Actually, there aren't any distiguishing markings. We have to walk a mile or more beside a field to get to our spot,
but if you came here in the spring, I'd take ya along. It's so fun to go tramping in the woods! [quote:9fdd729a39] Your
work is beautiful. I just now came out of my room. I've been trying to come up with some kind of organized way to keep
my new obsession (Crazy Quilting) under control. I don't want to just lump in my fabric and embellishments with all my
other quilting, beading stashes. [/quote:9fdd729a39] Thank you Cindy. It is hard to keep all that stuff together in a
sensible way, isn't it? I decided to go with rubbermaid bins of various sizes, and I lable them so I can find my stuff
easily.....sequins, lace, trim, photo images, etc. It helps a lot. I put my silk ribbons in floss baggies and put them
on a ring according to color. When I work on a specific project, then I use a separate ring and put the colors on it
that I'm using. My specialty fabric stash is small compared to my cottons. I put it in stackable plastic drawers,
sorted by color. Threads are in two places. The special ones are wound on cards and are in a bead/thread case I got at
Joann's. Other threads like balls of pearle cotton are stored in those common to find plastic fishing/craft boxes, the
ones where you can remove the dividers. (removing the dividers lets you store more balls per row). Seed beads are
stored in clear boxes with flip top containers. I get them at a bead store in Des Moines, but you can see them here:
http://whimbeads.com/cart.asp?pg=products&grp=75 Andything else I tried for seed bead storage has failed. All the
containers I tried spilled at one time or another. Other beads (I use lots of Czech pressed glass beads) are stored in
that bead/thread case from Joann's, or in those lockable two sided pill containers you get at Walmart by the pharmacy.
They now market those to beaders, but they cost more. I must admit my buttons are a mess. They need to be separated
badly as metal should not be stored with mother of pearl or mixed with plastic. Someday I'll find the time......
[quote:9fdd729a39] Maybe I need a separate room. [/quote:9fdd729a39] Oh yeah, everyone one needs that! Go for it! :-)
Lisa :-)
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View entire thread: Home sheet metal stamping help needed!!!
Posted by super88 on Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:36 PM Post subject: Re: Cudos to Robin S. was Re: Home sheet metal stamping help
Robin, Thank you so much for you explanation!!! That is exactly the kind of input I need. I am an Auto Tech and self
taught bodyman. The part I'm needing to make is actually an inner door panel from a late 1920's car. I suspect the
original part was crush formed, but since I don't have the proper equipment, that's not happening. That was how I
performed my first attempts, and the panel is perfect, except for the corners. The part is slightly concave, wich I've
managed to achieve. I will try using the draw bead approach (When I said binder, that's actually what I meant) Surface
finish is not terribly important. I'm by no means a die maker, but I have set myself on a mission. It's not a very
complex piece, which is why when I look at it I say," I can make this". If I fail, I fail. But if I
succeed...oh the pride. I would like to get 50 parts out, but I only need one. I looked into having the part made, and
your estimate was about right, even for the short run. BTW, the Die is poured of alloy. (yes I built a smelter capable
of 50 lbs Al). If I succeed, and even if I don't, I'd be happy to share the results. Any more suggestions would be
great. I'm open to any ideas. Tim Robin S. wrote: [quote:2aff72f19f]Brian Lawson wrote: Hey Robin, Cudos on your
reply to the OP. Very well done. Unfortunately I'm gone to Europe on Friday so I likely won't see the conclusion of
this project. I hope the OP posts pictures if he is successful. Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. ps...I
don't recall seeing anything mentioned, but are you a journeyman now? Sure been well over five years since the
ambitious high-school project days! Ah, the good ol' days (when I was cutting metal for my own entertianment). I
recently got my German papers. One more year until my Ontario papers. Regards, Robin[/quote:2aff72f19f]
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Posted by Brian Lawson on Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:19 PM Post subject: Cudos to Robin S. was Re: Home sheet metal stamping help n
Hey Robin, Cudos on your reply to the OP. Very well done. Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. ps...I don't
recall seeing anything mentioned, but are you a journeyman now? Sure been well over five years since the ambitious
high-school project days! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On 27 Sep 2006 00:14:05 -0700, "Robin S."
<lasernerd@hotmail.com> wrote: [quote:6f124802fe] F. George McDuffee wrote: On 26 Sep 2006 17:24:53 -0700,
"super88" <tdeborde@gatecom.com wrote: I'm going to post this message to all groups that I feel may be
able to help. Bear with me, I'm ignorant, but ambitous. I'm tryng to make something similar to a cookie sheet. A little
larger radius (2 1/2")on the corners and about 1 1/4" deep out of 22 ga. cold rolled steel. I build
automotive body panel dies. The most important part of this affair is to understand what kind of part you expect out of
the die. If you're expecting a cosmetically perfect piece of sheet metal that, if painted, looks like a mirror, you're
expecting way too much. It sounds like you have never built a die at all, so you're missing some basic knowledge and a
whole lot of experience. But since you asked... I've built a "press" using I beams and 25 ton bottle jacks to
do the job.(Keep in mind if I could afford to job this out, or pruchase a press, things would be different.) Anyways,
I've managed to make the part except for the corners wrinkle badly. I'm in the process of casting the female to allow me
to use binders. The question is where is the best place to bind the blank? Typically the entire blank is held in a
binder. This may not be absolutely necessary, however. Indeed, it takes quite a bit of work to make a binder actually do
its job. It should be understood that it is not the job of the binder to squeeze the snot out of the panel. The binder
is only there to prevent wrinkling. It does this by being *exactly* one sheet metal thickness away from the draw cavity
which it faces. This is achieved by the long and tedious process of spotting. Additionally, binders have balance blocks
which actually prevent the binder from squeezing the material. Beads, on the other hand, are a bit different. Draw
beads increase the resistance to the metal flow into the die cavity. A bottom line rule is that when you get wrinkling,
you're getting excessive flow and you need to reduce it. When you get thinning/tearing, you're getting insufficient flow
and you need to increase it. Beads are used by the toolmaker to adjust this flow. Beads which are rads will cause
resistance where as lock beads which have a square profile (with small rads) will actually prevent virtually any metal
from flowing (causing stretching instead of drawing). Typically you start out with a rather excessive bead which is sure
to tear your panel. Then, you grind away the bead until the tearing disappears, and you ideally get what you want (much
easier said than done). Note: the binder force must ensure that the panel's tendancy to wrinkle does not push the
binder away from the panel itself. Remember that the force available from the press will have to oppose the binder force
while forming the panel as well. Nitro springs are good if you don't have a draw cushion (you don't) but in your case,
die springs may work. It's difficult to tell. Since your corners are wrinkling, you need to add beads around them. The
beads should taper into nothing (or at least be reduced) as they enter the straights. Running a bead around your entire
profile will allow you more control over the flow into your die, but adds complexity. In the corners, or along the
straights? Any help, opinions, suggestions, ideas are appreciated! I'm doing this with determination and junk layin
around the yard. Buy a 10K press, hire a die maker...etc. are not the answers I'm looking for. Unless someone is willing
to produce this for less than a grand. Thanks again!! You just need to understand that if this doesn't work out the way
you wanted, it is unlikely you will ever find out why. This type of skill cannot be learned from printed words. Only
experience under someone more capable can give you the ability to create excellent results. Indeed, making a toolmaker
who can build and tryout a class A draw die (outer sheet metal, cosmetically "perfect") usually takes 5+ years
after apprenticeship. To give you an idea, complex body panel draw dies can cost in excess of $500k each. Other
important points: Any rad which the metal is flowing over *needs* to be polished to a mirror. This typically requires
polishing stones (up to 100 grit) and then emery cloth up to 600 grit (120, 240, 400, 600). Any rad which the metal is
flowing over *needs* to be a true rad. If you can feel edges around any part of the rad, you are increasing the
resistance to flow and you're likely to get a tear or at least thinning in that area. Spotting blue is nearly a
requirement unless you have virtually no specifications beyond the part not splitting in half (and maybe even so).
Again, the requirements of the panel need to be specified. Smaller femal rads shall not spot into the panel. Metal
flows over male rads only. Female rads are to be cleared out. If this die has to make more than about 1000 parts, flame
hardening the rads is virtually a necessity. The rads will get scored with any debris on the panels and will eventually
wear away if left soft. ============== The ingenuity and dynamism of participants of these groups continues to impress
me. I think I understand your product/problem (and then again maybe not.) The sides and ends form well because these
are flat curves. The corners however are compound curves that bend two directions at the same time with the result
there is an excess of material and it wrinkles. This is the same problem that you encounter when you wrap a package,
and have to fold the corners over to make everything fit. Indeed, many cookie sheets have "envelope" or
folded ends, or the corners are "fluted" for just this reason. Therefore, it is doubtful that binders will
help the problem, because the [extra] material is not moving in from the sides/ends during forming, but is preexisting
in the flat sheet. Draw beads will solve the problem, assuming the OP is capable of adjusting them correctly (very
unlikely, but that depends on the requirements of the panel). A binder by itself is indeed very unlikely to solve the
problem. Good luck on your product, what ever it may be. One final thought - have you contacted Elko or other cookie
sheet manufacturers? They may have something off the shelf. By *far* the best advice available. Regards,
Robin[/quote:6f124802fe]
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View entire thread: What are you working on now?
Posted by Shirley Shone on Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:19 AM Post subject: Re: What are you working on now?
Hope you do well at Harrow. Shirley In message <1159947385.690492.239610@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Su
<cutworks@btinternet.com> writes [quote:3a2bba4fa3]I'm desperately trying to keep things running smoothly, we're
doing a long list of bead shows, and also working on keeping the studio going and stock built up. I've been booted from
Mike's studio upstairs into my own room with big sunny windows and a view of the moors in the direction of Haworth
(everyone shout Heathcliff now!) and hope to start my own textile/bead projects in the next week or so. We're off to
the biggest bead fair in the UK this Sunday and then some free time so with luck I can actually get a project or two of
my own finished! Other than that, nothing really! :-D -Su www.tillermanbeads.co.uk www.britishlampwork.co.uk
[/quote:3a2bba4fa3] -- Shirley Shone shirley@allcrafts.demon.co.uk http://www.allcrafts.demon.co.uk
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Posted by Su on Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:36 AM Post subject: Re: What are you working on now?
I'm desperately trying to keep things running smoothly, we're doing a long list of bead shows, and also working on
keeping the studio going and stock built up. I've been booted from Mike's studio upstairs into my own room with big
sunny windows and a view of the moors in the direction of Haworth (everyone shout Heathcliff now!) and hope to start my
own textile/bead projects in the next week or so. We're off to the biggest bead fair in the UK this Sunday and then
some free time so with luck I can actually get a project or two of my own finished! Other than that, nothing really!
:-D -Su www.tillermanbeads.co.uk www.britishlampwork.co.uk
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View entire thread: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
Posted by windy on Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:00 AM Post subject: Re: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
I tried to email Beki but for some reason it won't go through so I will answer here. Hi Beki, I really do appreciate
you taking the time to answer my questions and explain the way of the world of beads. I don't have the order number
anymore but I first wrote an email to your website asking about brown seed beads and you were so kind to answer and
give me the numbers of the beads I wanted and I ordered them from you. I had already figured out by the replys from my
post on the newsgroup that you are a reputable company and do not deal in seconds... I am sure the problem lays with
the manufacture and a bad batch of beads that got by them. The problem I had is with #Tl1-F457b , which is just a
japanese seed bead, not delica or any speciality type bead. I am aware of the differences in uniformaity of seed
beads but these particular beads were way above the norm for seed beads. It may be because they are brown beads and as
you said some colors may behave differently than others and I know the brown beads are difficult to make (my bead lady
told me that, don't know really if it is true or not.) I would say about1/3 were unusable in my project I was making
(amulet bag which is usually done in delicas but wanted to try the seed) for the most part, it looked like when they
chopped off or cut them to size, something pulled them and they ended up with tails, or skinny to fat, just too
distorted to use. I also do hatbands and that would of not been diserable for that either. I don't want any money
back you were kind to suggest it....and I will try you again. also about the TOHO.... I had an empty seed vial the
same size as theirs is. Today, I noticed that the plastic vial that the TOHO came in looked really thick when you
look through it... I emptied the ToHOs into the other empty vial and guess what! it was 2/3s full. So I don't really
think that they are anymore cheaper than the ones at the beads store. I also want you to know that I wrote to your
website and they wrote back and told me that it is to be expected. That if I wanted uniformity, use delicas.... or
words to that order. It was a very polite letter and I was happy with the answer. I looked for the reply but I think I
must of dumped it. Thank you again for your answers and I will be ordering again someday soon. .......Windy Hedding
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View entire thread: New Beads, update
Posted by Valerie on Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:12 AM Post subject: New Beads, update
This isn't an ad, just wanted to show what I've been up to lately. :-) Ok, here's my latest glass beads I made on my
Hot Head. I don't get to play everyday, mostly because I have my stuff outside and it won't stop raining in the
afternoons here! ;-) http://www.valeriebeads.com/pictures/augsept.jpg The tubes I did last week and one of them is a
little wonky but I pulled my own goldstone stringer and man was I proud of myself for that. lol! The latest in beading
for me is that the BeadBugle accepted another project from me called Garden Friends Bracelet and can be seen here:
http://www.beadbabe.com/index.asp?where=store&ItemID=22446 and here towards the bottom of the page:
http://www.beadbugle.com/html/projects_bracelets_seed_t3.html In a non-beady note I've picked up graphite drawing again
and have been having some fun with that. But I really don't have enough time to get involved in all of the mediums I
do. So I bounce around in phases and try and bead in between or when I need a break from the others. :-) -- Valerie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.valeriebeads.com http://valeriebeads.etsy.com Come join OrphanBeads, sales and
trading for the financially challenged beader! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orphanbeads
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View entire thread: Gilbert & Frech?
Posted by monique on Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:58 PM Post subject: Gilbert & Frech?
I know folks in this group have some definite opinions on Fire Mountain Gems and the whole issue of how/under what
conditions gemstone beads are produced. I'm looking for some nice carnelian beads, and I've found some nice African
carnelian ones at Gilbert & Frech. Does anyone know anything about this big, big company, or about African
carnelian? All I know is that a) it has been mined in Africa since antiquity, and b) some of the good red colors are
produced by heating the stone (which I don't mind.) If anyone knows of some fair trade carnelian from Africa or India,
I'd be interested. All of this is in aid of a hare-brained project. I have an insane desire to recreate some of the
lapis and carnelian jewelry excavated from the royal tombs in Ur. I have some gold leaf shapes. Gold-colored or
brass beads I can find. I've located some Afghan lapis that probably comes from the same region--and the sale of which
is supporting actual Afghani families. Now I just need the carnelian. Monique in TX, anticipating playing with her
latest bead acquisition--some really fun beaded fringe from the decorating store (on sale!), which will be disassembled
into its fun little Indian glass beads
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View entire thread: When, and how, did YOU start beading?
Posted by Dr. Sooz on Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:56 PM Post subject: Re: When, and how, did YOU start beading?
Christine, if you finish your beading, and not your other craft projects, then......YOU WERE BORN TO BEAD.
````````````````````````````````````` calzephyr@gmail.com wrote: [quote:480a7f970e]I'm really enjoying reading the
responses to this thread :-) I have always liked beads though and had a nice collection of them, but I never really did
anything with them. Last year I was at a model (toy) horse show and one of the exhibitors was selling horse necklace and
earring sets. I bought one, and gave the earrings to a friend. She had done such a good job on the necklaces that I was
inspired to try it myself. It's really funny. One of my main loves is cross-stitch, but for the life of me, I just
can't finish any project that I start. I have always managed to finish a bead project. I don't get it :-D Best,
Christine[/quote:480a7f970e]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:04 PM Post subject: Re: When, and how, did YOU start beading?
I'm really enjoying reading the responses to this thread :-) I have always liked beads though and had a nice collection
of them, but I never really did anything with them. Last year I was at a model (toy) horse show and one of the
exhibitors was selling horse necklace and earring sets. I bought one, and gave the earrings to a friend. She had done
such a good job on the necklaces that I was inspired to try it myself. It's really funny. One of my main loves is
cross-stitch, but for the life of me, I just can't finish any project that I start. I have always managed to finish a
bead project. I don't get it :-D Best, Christine
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