View entire thread: Halloween costumes
Posted by Anonymous on Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:54 PM    Post subject: Re: Halloween costumes



Kathy Morgan wrote: [quote:fd7a908168]I would really like to make Halloween costumes for my husband and me this year,
but I have absolutely no ideas about what I'd like to make. What are the rest of you planning? I'm hoping for some great
inspiration here. You'all are very talented and imaginative, so I'm open to suggestions. -- Kathy - If you're reading
this in your web browser from Google or similar forum, NNTP "newsreaders" are a better way to access the
content. <http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/how-it-works.html Links to NNTP newsreaders at
<http://www.newsreaders.com/ [/quote:fd7a908168] Not making any this year, but DH and I dress in Renaissance garb
twice - once for a wedding and once for family pictures. For the wedding, he had a long tunic and leggings with a huge
feathered hat and I had a noblewoman's gown. For the pictures, he was a Scottish woodsman and I was of the merchant
class. You can always go as pirates, police and criminal, salt and pepper, mustard and ketchup (catsup), black and
white, lemon and lime....just think of all the pairs you have heard of in daily life. I had a site that had couple
costumes...some were hysterical....like the one where the woman was dressed as an electrical outlet and the man was
dressed as an electrical cord. Now, I would never wear these with my hubby, but they made me laugh.....plug of the cord
was in a rather....um...appropriate hardly seems the word, but you get my drift....place on the man's costume

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Posted by Dawn on Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:44 AM    Post subject: Re: Halloween costumes

Kathy Morgan wrote: [quote:5595a26cde]I would really like to make Halloween costumes for my husband and me this year,
but I have absolutely no ideas about what I'd like to make. What are the rest of you planning? I'm hoping for some great
inspiration here. You'all are very talented and imaginative, so I'm open to suggestions. [/quote:5595a26cde] Last year
I was a 'bad fairy'. Year before that I made a long slinky 'vampiress' dress out of stretch velvet. My husband has been
a cowboy, a Hogwarts Wizard, and Jack the Ripper recently. www.reddawn.net/costume/gallery.htm We're not having a
party this year, if I do anything I'm thinking I'll dig out my cat ears and maybe draw some whiskers on my nose.
Dawn

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View entire thread: Happy Halloween - be kind to your pets
Posted by Granny Waetherwax on Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:10 AM    Post subject: Re: Happy Halloween - be kind to your pets

On 28-10-2006 11:50, in article E8GRdYEsfyQFJAF9@quik.clara.co.uk, "Patti" <Patti@quik.clara.co.uk>
wrote: [quote:10722ba68e]I notice no cats had allowed themselves to be dressed up ! >gg [/quote:10722ba68e] Hmmm if
you realy realy want to, I have a black cat named Carbon you can try to dress up...........we will take the camecorder
and make the finest new horror movie of the year............:)

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Posted by Sandy Ellison on Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:27 PM    Post subject: O.T. Re: Happy Halloween - be kind to your pets

Howdy! There are a few cats in those pics: warden dog, prisoner cat, Harry Purrter, etc.. Yeah, dress up Carbon and
show us the results. <G> Looks like no quilts were damaged in the Halloween animal parade. Ragmop/Sandy On
10/28/06 5:10 AM, in article C168F928.15F7C%news@danuta.nl, "Granny Waetherwax" <news@danuta.nl> wrote:
[quote:1d8517a460]On 28-10-2006 11:50, in article E8GRdYEsfyQFJAF9@quik.clara.co.uk, "Patti"
Patti@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote: I notice no cats had allowed themselves to be dressed up ! >gg Hmmm if you realy
realy want to, I have a black cat named Carbon you can try to dress up...........we will take the camecorder and make
the finest new horror movie of the year............:) [/quote:1d8517a460]

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View entire thread: OT: halloween costume
Posted by mb from pa on Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:48 PM    Post subject: OT: halloween costume

With halloween coming, my town has a halloween parade. The studio my daughter dances in is going to be in the parade.
They will be black cats. The gave instruction of how they should dress. One thing they said is they need a tail and
ears. The tail is no problem. The ears are my problem. Not sure how to make them. I know to just use a head band,
but not sure how to design the ears. I figure I'd make triangles but I'm not sure to stuff them or what to do with
them. Any suggestions? Thanks Mary

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Posted by Patti on Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:26 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: halloween costume

Cover the headband with velvet or some such fabric. Make wide triangles with card, and cover them with fabric - black on
the back and pink in the front. Fold the outside corners of those wide triangles towards the centre and stitch them
down. Then sew the ears to the covered headband. Should work? .. In message
<1159026482.919773.103590@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, mb from pa <witch6020@yahoo.com> writes
[quote:9a11120b97]With halloween coming, my town has a halloween parade. The studio my daughter dances in is going to
be in the parade. They will be black cats. The gave instruction of how they should dress. One thing they said is they
need a tail and ears. The tail is no problem. The ears are my problem. Not sure how to make them. I know to just use
a head band, but not sure how to design the ears. I figure I'd make triangles but I'm not sure to stuff them or what to
do with them. Any suggestions? Thanks Mary [/quote:9a11120b97] -- Best Regards pat on the hill

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Posted by Georg on Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:47 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: halloween costume

mb from pa wrote: [quote:45de954a28]With halloween coming, my town has a halloween parade. The studio my daughter
dances in is going to be in the parade. They will be black cats. The gave instruction of how they should dress. One
thing they said is they need a tail and ears. The tail is no problem. The ears are my problem. Not sure how to make
them. I know to just use a head band, but not sure how to design the ears. I figure I'd make triangles but I'm not
sure to stuff them or what to do with them. Any suggestions? Thanks Mary [/quote:45de954a28] Floral wire in the ear
points, and you'll want a dart on the inside of the triangles so they will curve more. For attaching to the headband,
I suggest simply using hot glue if you have it. -georg

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Posted by Kate Dicey on Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:04 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: halloween costume

mb from pa wrote: [quote:769d5fb6f4]With halloween coming, my town has a halloween parade. The studio my daughter
dances in is going to be in the parade. They will be black cats. The gave instruction of how they should dress. One
thing they said is they need a tail and ears. The tail is no problem. The ears are my problem. Not sure how to make
them. I know to just use a head band, but not sure how to design the ears. I figure I'd make triangles but I'm not
sure to stuff them or what to do with them. Any suggestions? Thanks Mary Make them out of fur fabric and stiffen
them rather than stuffing them.[/quote:769d5fb6f4] I did this with these mouse ears: http://www.diceyhome.free-
online.co.uk/KatePages/Sewing_Projects/Costumegallery/MouseEars2.jpg -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

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Posted by off kilter quilter on Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:48 PM    Post subject: OT: just what you needed to feel young

Every year, Beloit College releases its Mindset List to give a snapshot of the world view of the incoming freshmen
class. The list for the Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet Union has never existed and therefore is about as scary as the
student union. 2. They have known only two presidents. 3. For most of their lives, major U.S. airlines have been
bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the U.S. 5. They have grown up getting lost in giant retail
stores known as "big boxes." 6. There has always been one Germany. 7. They have never heard anyone actually
"ring it up" on a cash register. 8. They are wireless, yet always connected. 9. A stained blue dress is as
famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was to their parents'. 10. Thanks to pervasive head phones in the
back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely in the front. 11. A coffee has always taken longer to make
than a milkshake. 12. Smoking has never been permitted on U.S. airlines. 13. Faux fur has always been a necessary
element of style. 14. The Moral Majority has never needed an organization. 15. They have never had to distinguish
between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams. 16. DNA fingerprinting has always been admissible
evidence in court. 17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping carts in the supermarket. 18. They grew up
with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication. 19. "Google" has always been a verb. 20. Text
messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli Vanilli has never had anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite, has
always been the most trusted man in America. 23. Bar codes have always been on everything, from library cards and
snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden has always been a game, not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the
Opera has always been on Broadway. 26. "Boogers" candy has always been a favorite for grossing out parents.
27. There has never been a "sky hook" in the NBA. 28. Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents'
attics. 29. Computerized player pianos have always been tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches
have always been the fastest growing religious organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality
shows have always been on television. 33. They have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?"
34. They have always known that "In the criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate
yet equally important groups." 35. Young women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36.
They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp. 37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third
wedding. 38. Being techno-savvy has always been inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo
New York," has always been a drawn-out adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else.
40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have
always been able to watch wars and revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long
documentaries on PBS. 43. They are not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds
flying into it. 44. Retin-A has always made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for
health purposes. 46. Public school officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white
holiday lights have always been in style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They
have always been searching for "Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with
outlandish birthday parties. 51. Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game
of state license plates in the car. 53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There
have always been live organ donors. 55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put
their money in a "Savings & Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always
been getting captured on amateur videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard
Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been
luxury cars of choice. 63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64.
LoJack transmitters have always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66.
Dolphin-free canned tuna has always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68.
"Outing" has always been a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the
perfect graduation gift. 70. They have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been
studying global warming to confirm its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They
grew up with virtual pets to feed, water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean
and sober. 75. Professional athletes have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!!
Larisa

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Posted by Kate G. on Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:29 PM    Post subject: Re: just what you needed to feel young

Or not! !!! Kate in MI PS - my kids are in this boat... and I wonder (if I ever have any!) what they will write about
my grandkids! "off kilter quilter" <spamfree@somewherequiet.net> wrote in message news:95mdnf-
1Eqode3DZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@adelphia.com... [quote:6d36975aa0]Every year, Beloit College releases its Mindset List to give
a snapshot of the world view of the incoming freshmen class. The list for the Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet Union has
never existed and therefore is about as scary as the student union. 2. They have known only two presidents. 3. For
most of their lives, major U.S. airlines have been bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the U.S. 5.
They have grown up getting lost in giant retail stores known as "big boxes." 6. There has always been one
Germany. 7. They have never heard anyone actually "ring it up" on a cash register. 8. They are wireless, yet
always connected. 9. A stained blue dress is as famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was to their
parents'. 10. Thanks to pervasive head phones in the back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely in the
front. 11. A coffee has always taken longer to make than a milkshake. 12. Smoking has never been permitted on U.S.
airlines. 13. Faux fur has always been a necessary element of style. 14. The Moral Majority has never needed an
organization. 15. They have never had to distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams. 16.
DNA fingerprinting has always been admissible evidence in court. 17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping
carts in the supermarket. 18. They grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication. 19.
"Google" has always been a verb. 20. Text messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli Vanilli has never had
anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite, has always been the most trusted man in America. 23. Bar codes
have always been on everything, from library cards and snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden has always been a game,
not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the Opera has always been on Broadway. 26. "Boogers" candy
has always been a favorite for grossing out parents. 27. There has never been a "sky hook" in the NBA. 28.
Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents' attics. 29. Computerized player pianos have always been
tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches have always been the fastest growing religious
organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality shows have always been on television. 33. They
have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?" 34. They have always known that "In the
criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate yet equally important groups." 35. Young
women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36. They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp.
37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third wedding. 38. Being techno-savvy has always been
inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo New York," has always been a drawn-out
adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else. 40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern
California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have always been able to watch wars and
revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long documentaries on PBS. 43. They are
not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds flying into it. 44. Retin-A has always
made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for health purposes. 46. Public school
officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white holiday lights have always been in
style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They have always been searching for
"Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with outlandish birthday parties. 51.
Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car.
53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There have always been live organ donors.
55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put their money in a "Savings &
Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always been getting captured on amateur
videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach
volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been luxury cars of choice.
63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64. LoJack transmitters have
always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66. Dolphin-free canned tuna has
always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68. "Outing" has always been
a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the perfect graduation gift. 70. They
have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been studying global warming to confirm
its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They grew up with virtual pets to feed,
water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and sober. 75. Professional athletes
have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!! Larisa[/quote:6d36975aa0]

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Posted by Louise on Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:37 PM    Post subject: Re: just what you needed to feel young

They may be the kids you babysat for, but they're the kids of the kids I babysat for!!! -- Louise in Iowa nieland4 at
mchsi dot com http://community.webshots.com/user/louiseiniowa "off kilter quilter"
<spamfree@somewherequiet.net> wrote in message news:95mdnf-1Eqode3DZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
[quote:00e62f03d2]Every year, Beloit College releases its Mindset List to give a snapshot of the world view of the
incoming freshmen class. The list for the Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet Union has never existed and therefore is about
as scary as the student union. 2. They have known only two presidents. 3. For most of their lives, major U.S. airlines
have been bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the U.S. 5. They have grown up getting lost in giant
retail stores known as "big boxes." 6. There has always been one Germany. 7. They have never heard anyone
actually "ring it up" on a cash register. 8. They are wireless, yet always connected. 9. A stained blue
dress is as famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was to their parents'. 10. Thanks to pervasive head
phones in the back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely in the front. 11. A coffee has always taken
longer to make than a milkshake. 12. Smoking has never been permitted on U.S. airlines. 13. Faux fur has always been a
necessary element of style. 14. The Moral Majority has never needed an organization. 15. They have never had to
distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams. 16. DNA fingerprinting has always been
admissible evidence in court. 17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping carts in the supermarket. 18. They
grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication. 19. "Google" has always been a verb. 20.
Text messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli Vanilli has never had anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite,
has always been the most trusted man in America. 23. Bar codes have always been on everything, from library cards and
snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden has always been a game, not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the
Opera has always been on Broadway. 26. "Boogers" candy has always been a favorite for grossing out parents.
27. There has never been a "sky hook" in the NBA. 28. Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents'
attics. 29. Computerized player pianos have always been tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches
have always been the fastest growing religious organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality
shows have always been on television. 33. They have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?"
34. They have always known that "In the criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate
yet equally important groups." 35. Young women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36.
They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp. 37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third
wedding. 38. Being techno-savvy has always been inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo
New York," has always been a drawn-out adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else.
40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have
always been able to watch wars and revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long
documentaries on PBS. 43. They are not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds
flying into it. 44. Retin-A has always made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for
health purposes. 46. Public school officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white
holiday lights have always been in style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They
have always been searching for "Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with
outlandish birthday parties. 51. Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game of
state license plates in the car. 53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There
have always been live organ donors. 55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put
their money in a "Savings & Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always
been getting captured on amateur videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard
Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been
luxury cars of choice. 63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64.
LoJack transmitters have always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66.
Dolphin-free canned tuna has always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68.
"Outing" has always been a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the
perfect graduation gift. 70. They have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been
studying global warming to confirm its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They
grew up with virtual pets to feed, water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and
sober. 75. Professional athletes have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!!
Larisa[/quote:00e62f03d2]

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Posted by elspeth on Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:47 PM    Post subject: Re: just what you needed to feel young

I'm surprised Beloit College would say that the Soviet Union had never existed in the life time of a student in the
class of 2010. While the average student would not remember the USSR, in fact it did not fall apart until December of
1991, meaning that the average college freshman this year would have been 3ish when the various Soviet states declared
their independence. I only know this, however, because I was traveling in the Soviet Union in 1991 and was almost
stranded in the country by a threatened coup attempt. The list is always interesting and makes me feel so old.
Elizabeth in Spring, Texas "off kilter quilter" <spamfree@somewherequiet.net> wrote in message news:
95mdnf-1Eqode3DZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@adelphia.com... [quote:1e6a72a0ea]Every year, Beloit College releases its Mindset List
to give a snapshot of the world view of the incoming freshmen class. The list for the Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet
Union has never existed and therefore is about as scary as the student union. 2. They have known only two presidents.
3. For most of their lives, major U.S. airlines have been bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the
U.S. 5. They have grown up getting lost in giant retail stores known as "big boxes." 6. There has always
been one Germany. 7. They have never heard anyone actually "ring it up" on a cash register. 8. They are
wireless, yet always connected. 9. A stained blue dress is as famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was
to their parents'. 10. Thanks to pervasive head phones in the back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely
in the front. 11. A coffee has always taken longer to make than a milkshake. 12. Smoking has never been permitted on
U.S. airlines. 13. Faux fur has always been a necessary element of style. 14. The Moral Majority has never needed an
organization. 15. They have never had to distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams. 16.
DNA fingerprinting has always been admissible evidence in court. 17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping
carts in the supermarket. 18. They grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication. 19.
"Google" has always been a verb. 20. Text messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli Vanilli has never had
anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite, has always been the most trusted man in America. 23. Bar codes
have always been on everything, from library cards and snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden has always been a game,
not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the Opera has always been on Broadway. 26. "Boogers" candy
has always been a favorite for grossing out parents. 27. There has never been a "sky hook" in the NBA. 28.
Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents' attics. 29. Computerized player pianos have always been
tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches have always been the fastest growing religious
organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality shows have always been on television. 33. They
have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?" 34. They have always known that "In the
criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate yet equally important groups." 35. Young
women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36. They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp.
37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third wedding. 38. Being techno-savvy has always been
inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo New York," has always been a drawn-out
adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else. 40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern
California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have always been able to watch wars and
revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long documentaries on PBS. 43. They are
not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds flying into it. 44. Retin-A has always
made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for health purposes. 46. Public school
officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white holiday lights have always been in
style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They have always been searching for
"Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with outlandish birthday parties. 51.
Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car.
53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There have always been live organ donors.
55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put their money in a "Savings &
Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always been getting captured on amateur
videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach
volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been luxury cars of choice.
63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64. LoJack transmitters have
always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66. Dolphin-free canned tuna has
always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68. "Outing" has always been
a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the perfect graduation gift. 70. They
have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been studying global warming to confirm
its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They grew up with virtual pets to feed,
water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and sober. 75. Professional athletes
have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!! Larisa[/quote:1e6a72a0ea]

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Posted by off kilter quilter on Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:41 PM    Post subject: Re: just what you needed to feel young

LOL, it was totally meant to be sarcastic. DH and I both felt extremely "well-seasoned" after reading this
list....some of them were entirely too funny, and it's sad that they are also true Kate G. wrote:
[quote:3551a5640c]Or not! !!! Kate in MI PS - my kids are in this boat... and I wonder (if I ever have any!) what
they will write about my grandkids! "off kilter quilter" <spamfree@somewherequiet.net> wrote in
message news:95mdnf-1Eqode3DZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@adelphia.com... Every year, Beloit College releases its Mindset List to
give a snapshot of the world view of the incoming freshmen class. The list for the Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet Union
has never existed and therefore is about as scary as the student union. 2. They have known only two presidents. 3. For
most of their lives, major U.S. airlines have been bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the U.S. 5.
They have grown up getting lost in giant retail stores known as "big boxes." 6. There has always been one
Germany. 7. They have never heard anyone actually "ring it up" on a cash register. 8. They are wireless, yet
always connected. 9. A stained blue dress is as famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was to their
parents'. 10. Thanks to pervasive head phones in the back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely in the
front. 11. A coffee has always taken longer to make than a milkshake. 12. Smoking has never been permitted on U.S.
airlines. 13. Faux fur has always been a necessary element of style. 14. The Moral Majority has never needed an
organization. 15. They have never had to distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams. 16.
DNA fingerprinting has always been admissible evidence in court. 17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping
carts in the supermarket. 18. They grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication. 19.
"Google" has always been a verb. 20. Text messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli Vanilli has never had
anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite, has always been the most trusted man in America. 23. Bar codes
have always been on everything, from library cards and snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden has always been a game,
not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the Opera has always been on Broadway. 26. "Boogers" candy
has always been a favorite for grossing out parents. 27. There has never been a "sky hook" in the NBA. 28.
Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents' attics. 29. Computerized player pianos have always been
tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches have always been the fastest growing religious
organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality shows have always been on television. 33. They
have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?" 34. They have always known that "In the
criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate yet equally important groups." 35. Young
women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36. They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp.
37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third wedding. 38. Being techno-savvy has always been
inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo New York," has always been a drawn-out
adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else. 40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern
California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have always been able to watch wars and
revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long documentaries on PBS. 43. They are
not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds flying into it. 44. Retin-A has always
made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for health purposes. 46. Public school
officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white holiday lights have always been in
style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They have always been searching for
"Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with outlandish birthday parties. 51.
Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car.
53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There have always been live organ donors.
55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put their money in a "Savings &
Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always been getting captured on amateur
videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach
volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been luxury cars of choice.
63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64. LoJack transmitters have
always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66. Dolphin-free canned tuna has
always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68. "Outing" has always been
a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the perfect graduation gift. 70. They
have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been studying global warming to confirm
its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They grew up with virtual pets to feed,
water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and sober. 75. Professional athletes
have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!! Larisa [/quote:3551a5640c]

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Posted by Ginger in CA on Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:37 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: just what you needed to feel young

Gee, I looked at the subject line and hoped you were offering a source for us to get cabana/pool boys!!! Ms Butterfly
won't tell us where she gets hers from ;(( Ginger in CA off the antibiotics, aiming for full recovery soon off kilter
quilter wrote: [quote:1ab51f0598]Every year, Beloit College releases its Mindset List to give a snapshot of the world
view of the incoming freshmen class. The list for the Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet Union has never existed and
therefore is about as scary as the student union. 2. They have known only two presidents. 3. For most of their lives,
major U.S. airlines have been bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega has always been in jail in the U.S. 5. They have grown up
getting lost in giant retail stores known as "big boxes." 6. There has always been one Germany. 7. They have
never heard anyone actually "ring it up" on a cash register. 8. They are wireless, yet always connected. 9.
A stained blue dress is as famous to their generation as a third-rate burglary was to their parents'. 10. Thanks to
pervasive head phones in the back seat, parents have always been able to speak freely in the front. 11. A coffee has
always taken longer to make than a milkshake. 12. Smoking has never been permitted on U.S. airlines. 13. Faux fur has
always been a necessary element of style. 14. The Moral Majority has never needed an organization. 15. They have never
had to distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals baseball and football teams. 16. DNA fingerprinting has always been
admissible evidence in court. 17. They grew up pushing their own miniature shopping carts in the supermarket. 18. They
grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a means of communication. 19. "Google" has always been a verb. 20.
Text messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli Vanilli has never had anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite,
has always been the most trusted man in America. 23. Bar codes have always been on everything, from library cards and
snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden has always been a game, not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the
Opera has always been on Broadway. 26. "Boogers" candy has always been a favorite for grossing out parents.
27. There has never been a "sky hook" in the NBA. 28. Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents'
attics. 29. Computerized player pianos have always been tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches
have always been the fastest growing religious organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality
shows have always been on television. 33. They have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?"
34. They have always known that "In the criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate
yet equally important groups." 35. Young women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36.
They have rarely mailed anything using a stamp. 37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third
wedding. 38. Being techno-savvy has always been inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo
New York," has always been a drawn-out adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else.
40. Affluent troubled teens in Southern California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have
always been able to watch wars and revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long
documentaries on PBS. 43. They are not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds
flying into it. 44. Retin-A has always made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for
health purposes. 46. Public school officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white
holiday lights have always been in style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They
have always been searching for "Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with
outlandish birthday parties. 51. Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game of
state license plates in the car. 53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There
have always been live organ donors. 55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put
their money in a "Savings & Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always
been getting captured on amateur videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard
Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been
luxury cars of choice. 63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64.
LoJack transmitters have always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66.
Dolphin-free canned tuna has always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68.
"Outing" has always been a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the
perfect graduation gift. 70. They have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been
studying global warming to confirm its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They
grew up with virtual pets to feed, water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and
sober. 75. Professional athletes have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!!
Larisa[/quote:1ab51f0598]

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Posted by Butterflywings on Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:08 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: just what you needed to feel young

Can't remember you asking but if you did a couple of days ago---I've slept since then and wouldn't remember anyway :)
Pool Boy was here early this AM. Butterfly "Ginger in CA" <gaw93031@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1156563432.026715.321090@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quote:197aa2ae19]Gee, I looked at the subject line and
hoped you were offering a source for us to get cabana/pool boys!!! Ms Butterfly won't tell us where she gets hers from
;(( Ginger in CA off the antibiotics, aiming for full recovery soon off kilter quilter wrote: Every year, Beloit
College releases its Mindset List to give a snapshot of the world view of the incoming freshmen class. The list for the
Class of 2010: 1. The Soviet Union has never existed and therefore is about as scary as the student union. 2. They
have known only two presidents. 3. For most of their lives, major U.S. airlines have been bankrupt. 4. Manuel Noriega
has always been in jail in the U.S. 5. They have grown up getting lost in giant retail stores known as "big
boxes." 6. There has always been one Germany. 7. They have never heard anyone actually "ring it up" on
a cash register. 8. They are wireless, yet always connected. 9. A stained blue dress is as famous to their generation
as a third-rate burglary was to their parents'. 10. Thanks to pervasive head phones in the back seat, parents have
always been able to speak freely in the front. 11. A coffee has always taken longer to make than a milkshake. 12.
Smoking has never been permitted on U.S. airlines. 13. Faux fur has always been a necessary element of style. 14. The
Moral Majority has never needed an organization. 15. They have never had to distinguish between the St. Louis Cardinals
baseball and football teams. 16. DNA fingerprinting has always been admissible evidence in court. 17. They grew up
pushing their own miniature shopping carts in the supermarket. 18. They grew up with and have outgrown faxing as a
means of communication. 19. "Google" has always been a verb. 20. Text messaging is their e-mail. 21. Milli
Vanilli has never had anything to say. 22. Mr. Rogers, not Walter Cronkite, has always been the most trusted man in
America. 23. Bar codes have always been on everything, from library cards and snail mail to retail items. 24. Madden
has always been a game, not a Super Bowl-winning coach. 25. Phantom of the Opera has always been on Broadway. 26.
"Boogers" candy has always been a favorite for grossing out parents. 27. There has never been a "sky
hook" in the NBA. 28. Carbon copies are oddities found in their grandparents' attics. 29. Computerized player
pianos have always been tinkling in the lobby. 30. Non-denominational mega-churches have always been the fastest
growing religious organizations in the U.S. 31. They grew up in minivans. 32. Reality shows have always been on
television. 33. They have no idea why we needed to ask "... Can we all get along?" 34. They have always
known that "In the criminal justice system the people have been represented by two separate yet equally important
groups." 35. Young women's fashions have never been concerned with where the waist is. 36. They have rarely
mailed anything using a stamp. 37. Brides have always worn white for a first, second, or third wedding. 38. Being
techno-savvy has always been inversely proportional to age. 39. "So" as in "Sooooo New York," has
always been a drawn-out adjective modifying a proper noun, which in turn modifies something else. 40. Affluent troubled
teens in Southern California have always been the subjects of television series. 41. They have always been able to
watch wars and revolutions live on television. 42. Ken Burns has always been producing very long documentaries on PBS.
43. They are not aware that "flock of seagulls hair" has nothing to do with birds flying into it. 44. Retin-A
has always made America look less wrinkled. 45. Green tea has always been marketed for health purposes. 46. Public
school officials have always had the right to censor school newspapers. 47. Small, white holiday lights have always
been in style. 48. Most of them have never had the chance to eat bad airline food. 49. They have always been searching
for "Waldo." 50. The really rich have regularly expressed exuberance with outlandish birthday parties. 51.
Michael Moore has always been showing up uninvited. 52. They never played the game of state license plates in the car.
53. They have always preferred going out in groups as opposed to dating. 54. There have always been live organ donors.
55. They have always had access to their own credit cards. 56. They have never put their money in a "Savings &
Loan." 57. Sara Lee has always made underwear. 58. Bad behavior has always been getting captured on amateur
videos. 59. Disneyland has always been in Europe and Asia. 60. They never saw Bernard Shaw on CNN. 61. Beach
volleyball has always been a recognized sport. 62. Acura, Lexus and Infiniti have always been luxury cars of choice.
63. Television stations have never concluded the broadcast day with the national anthem. 64. LoJack transmitters have
always been finding lost cars. 65. Diane Sawyer has always been live in Prime Time. 66. Dolphin-free canned tuna has
always been on sale. 67. Disposable contact lenses have always been available. 68. "Outing" has always been
a threat. 69. "Oh, The Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss has always been the perfect graduation gift. 70. They
have always "dissed" what they don't like. 71. The U.S. has always been studying global warming to confirm
its existence. 72. Richard M. Daley has always been the Mayor of Chicago. 73. They grew up with virtual pets to feed,
water, and play games with, lest they die. 74. Ringo Starr has always been clean and sober. 75. Professional athletes
have always competed in the Olympics. These were the kids that *I* babysat!!!!!! Larisa [/quote:197aa2ae19]

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View entire thread: Help - stitched myself into a corner
Posted by ellice on Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:04 PM    Post subject: Re: Help - stitched myself into a corner

On 11/2/06 3:03 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" <cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote: [quote:72f1e10b2c]Ok - I'm nearly
done stitching the name of DD's hockey team on a piece of 14 count plastic canvas. I used #5 pearl cotton - maybe my
first mistake. It will stand out and boy do my fingers hurt from pulling the back course through. [/quote:72f1e10b2c]
Have you gotten yourself a needle-puller of some sort? As in a hemostat, roach clip, locking tweezer kind of thing?
When I'm doing NP with "tight" thread - I end up using my small hemostat a lot. The LNS even sells some that
I think ToolTron (who make inexpensive, colored handle, scissors - that work great for general use) makes some clamps
that are the size of embroidery scissors. I'd definitely invest in some - and LMK if you don't have - I'll pick some up
for you today and throw in mail with other stuff. [quote:72f1e10b2c] Now - I originally planned to use a back stitch
alphabet to add the league name and player level. Then I got the bright idea to use a longer stitch for the background
in floss - sort of a satin stitch look. NOW - can I do a back stitch over the satin stitch? On fabric, I'd say yes, but
on the PC????? [/quote:72f1e10b2c] I don't see why not. See above - you might want something to pull with. If nothing
else - get some little stick on your finger leather thimbles - quilting store would have. [quote:72f1e10b2c] HELP!!!!
I want this thing DONE! Patience, eh! I'm sure they'll be lovely when done. I hate plastic canvas -[/quote:72f1e10b2c]
and only use it with yarn - take that back - haven't used it in many years. FWIW, at the fabric store I ran into
someone that used to hang with our stitch 'n bitch group. She was buying 13 yards of silk charmeuse - for her wedding
dress. Which is going to be a ren-type dress. Doing an embroidered stomacher, and for the head "an Elizabethan
cap" made of... Plastic canvas. Interesting - of course her telling me that under all this will be white cowboy
boots, well - it's a picture. Though, she's a very willowy - thin, muscular, black woman with very, very short hair -
and she can wear about anything. LMK if there's anything you need sent to help - priority would get there maybe
tomorrow. ellice

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View entire thread: 70 Ways to use eyelets
Posted by Sandy on Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:54 PM    Post subject: 70 Ways to use eyelets

Here are 70 different ways to use eyelets on your pages....enjoy! Connectors on paper piecing for moveable parts (be
sure to use a washer when doing this, it helps the paper move more freely) Attaching vellum Accents on journal blocks
To "hang" things from Center of flowers Center of letters Spell out words (outline the letters) Corners of
picture mat Eyes of paper dolls Nails in a fence Earrings for a paper doll Belly button jewel for a paper doll
"Stone" in a ring Buttons on a snowman Decoration on a child's ball Stepping stones in a garden layout
Attach a fiber to make a yo-yo Attach elements on a page by wrapping wire or fiber To form "bullets" for a
list of things As an accent on the tail of a letter In the hole of a tag White-as stars on a black or navy blue sky
White-as dropping snowflakes Light blue-as falling raindrops Orange-as pumpkins White-as moonbeams Jeweled belt on a
paper doll Brown-as chocolate chips on a cookie Toppings on a pizza M & Ms Buttons on a shirt Decorations on an
Easter Egg Decorations on a Christmas Tree Purple-grapes in a cornucopia Lights on top of a police car or fire truck
Center of a pinwheel Center of tires Tires on a toy car End of antenna on a bug Center of fiber spider web Hair
ornament on a girl paper doll The "dot" on an i or j Attach handle to a basket To attach fibers or lacing
something together Attach a sign to a post Rocks Center of propeller on an airplane On Serendipity squares Sesame
seeds on a bun Jeweled skirt on a paper doll Use as a spider and paint a face on it with the legs behind it or use
wire for its legs Dots on a ladybug As fillers Use as nails on wood (like haunted house windows) Christmas bulbs on
a tree paper piecing Eye on a frog Use to embellish the corner of tags or Borders or Titles Attach fabric, twistel,
or lace to paper Use stars to replicate a night sky Ends of a hammock Use on butterfly wings Ovals as Easter Eggs
Buttons on a dress Shoe buckle Dots on a clown suit doll or paper piecing Sprinkles on an ice cream cone Sprinkles
on a cupcake Use seashells on paper torn to create a beach look I got this from a great website:
http://scrapzing.kindredcreations.com/ If you check about 1/2 way down the page they have Scrapbook Tutorials -
great ideas and instructions. Sandy

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Posted by Judy SA on Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:13 PM    Post subject: Re: 70 Ways to use eyelets

Wow Sandy! I'm saving this mail :))) Thanks! Judy, SA "Sandy" <slmcbeth@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:j63Gg.19400$uV.17919@trnddc08... [quote:1589fb927e]Here are 70 different ways to use eyelets on your
pages....enjoy! Connectors on paper piecing for moveable parts (be sure to use a washer when doing this, it helps the
paper move more freely) Attaching vellum Accents on journal blocks To "hang" things from Center of flowers
Center of letters Spell out words (outline the letters) Corners of picture mat Eyes of paper dolls Nails in a fence
Earrings for a paper doll Belly button jewel for a paper doll "Stone" in a ring Buttons on a snowman
Decoration on a child's ball Stepping stones in a garden layout Attach a fiber to make a yo-yo Attach elements on a
page by wrapping wire or fiber To form "bullets" for a list of things As an accent on the tail of a letter
In the hole of a tag White-as stars on a black or navy blue sky White-as dropping snowflakes Light blue-as falling
raindrops Orange-as pumpkins White-as moonbeams Jeweled belt on a paper doll Brown-as chocolate chips on a cookie
Toppings on a pizza M & Ms Buttons on a shirt Decorations on an Easter Egg Decorations on a Christmas Tree
Purple-grapes in a cornucopia Lights on top of a police car or fire truck Center of a pinwheel Center of tires Tires
on a toy car End of antenna on a bug Center of fiber spider web Hair ornament on a girl paper doll The
"dot" on an i or j Attach handle to a basket To attach fibers or lacing something together Attach a sign to
a post Rocks Center of propeller on an airplane On Serendipity squares Sesame seeds on a bun Jeweled skirt on a
paper doll Use as a spider and paint a face on it with the legs behind it or use wire for its legs Dots on a ladybug
As fillers Use as nails on wood (like haunted house windows) Christmas bulbs on a tree paper piecing Eye on a frog
Use to embellish the corner of tags or Borders or Titles Attach fabric, twistel, or lace to paper Use stars to
replicate a night sky Ends of a hammock Use on butterfly wings Ovals as Easter Eggs Buttons on a dress Shoe buckle
Dots on a clown suit doll or paper piecing Sprinkles on an ice cream cone Sprinkles on a cupcake Use seashells on
paper torn to create a beach look I got this from a great website: http://scrapzing.kindredcreations.com/ If
you check about 1/2 way down the page they have Scrapbook Tutorials - great ideas and instructions. Sandy
[/quote:1589fb927e]

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Posted by Deb in AR on Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:26 PM    Post subject: Re: 70 Ways to use eyelets

Those are some great ideas. TFS Sandy. -- Deb in AR - Desert Rat at heart!
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bsrdjr@sbcglobal.net/my_photos Independent Stampin' Up! Demonstrator Pages complete 2006
= 3 Goal for 2006: 1 LO a week "Sandy" <slmcbeth@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:j63Gg.19400$uV.17919@trnddc08... [quote:20d8eb5a28]Here are 70 different ways to use eyelets on your
pages....enjoy! Connectors on paper piecing for moveable parts (be sure to use a washer when doing this, it helps the
paper move more freely) Attaching vellum Accents on journal blocks To "hang" things from Center of flowers
Center of letters Spell out words (outline the letters) Corners of picture mat Eyes of paper dolls Nails in a fence
Earrings for a paper doll Belly button jewel for a paper doll "Stone" in a ring Buttons on a snowman
Decoration on a child's ball Stepping stones in a garden layout Attach a fiber to make a yo-yo Attach elements on a
page by wrapping wire or fiber To form "bullets" for a list of things As an accent on the tail of a letter
In the hole of a tag White-as stars on a black or navy blue sky White-as dropping snowflakes Light blue-as falling
raindrops Orange-as pumpkins White-as moonbeams Jeweled belt on a paper doll Brown-as chocolate chips on a cookie
Toppings on a pizza M & Ms Buttons on a shirt Decorations on an Easter Egg Decorations on a Christmas Tree
Purple-grapes in a cornucopia Lights on top of a police car or fire truck Center of a pinwheel Center of tires Tires
on a toy car End of antenna on a bug Center of fiber spider web Hair ornament on a girl paper doll The
"dot" on an i or j Attach handle to a basket To attach fibers or lacing something together Attach a sign to
a post Rocks Center of propeller on an airplane On Serendipity squares Sesame seeds on a bun Jeweled skirt on a
paper doll Use as a spider and paint a face on it with the legs behind it or use wire for its legs Dots on a ladybug
As fillers Use as nails on wood (like haunted house windows) Christmas bulbs on a tree paper piecing Eye on a frog
Use to embellish the corner of tags or Borders or Titles Attach fabric, twistel, or lace to paper Use stars to
replicate a night sky Ends of a hammock Use on butterfly wings Ovals as Easter Eggs Buttons on a dress Shoe buckle
Dots on a clown suit doll or paper piecing Sprinkles on an ice cream cone Sprinkles on a cupcake Use seashells on
paper torn to create a beach look I got this from a great website: http://scrapzing.kindredcreations.com/ If
you check about 1/2 way down the page they have Scrapbook Tutorials - great ideas and instructions. Sandy
[/quote:20d8eb5a28]

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Posted by Marilyn on Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:10 PM    Post subject: Re: 70 Ways to use eyelets

Thanks for this Sandy and the link to the site :o) Some real nice stuff to browse through in the Tutorials section. --
Take care, Marilyn "Sandy" <slmcbeth@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:j63Gg.19400$uV.17919@trnddc08... [quote:f6946061af]Here are 70 different ways to use eyelets on your
pages....enjoy! Connectors on paper piecing for moveable parts (be sure to use a washer when doing this, it helps the
paper move more freely) Attaching vellum Accents on journal blocks To "hang" things from Center of flowers
Center of letters Spell out words (outline the letters) Corners of picture mat Eyes of paper dolls Nails in a fence
Earrings for a paper doll Belly button jewel for a paper doll "Stone" in a ring Buttons on a snowman
Decoration on a child's ball Stepping stones in a garden layout Attach a fiber to make a yo-yo Attach elements on a
page by wrapping wire or fiber To form "bullets" for a list of things As an accent on the tail of a letter
In the hole of a tag White-as stars on a black or navy blue sky White-as dropping snowflakes Light blue-as falling
raindrops Orange-as pumpkins White-as moonbeams Jeweled belt on a paper doll Brown-as chocolate chips on a cookie
Toppings on a pizza M & Ms Buttons on a shirt Decorations on an Easter Egg Decorations on a Christmas Tree
Purple-grapes in a cornucopia Lights on top of a police car or fire truck Center of a pinwheel Center of tires Tires
on a toy car End of antenna on a bug Center of fiber spider web Hair ornament on a girl paper doll The
"dot" on an i or j Attach handle to a basket To attach fibers or lacing something together Attach a sign to
a post Rocks Center of propeller on an airplane On Serendipity squares Sesame seeds on a bun Jeweled skirt on a
paper doll Use as a spider and paint a face on it with the legs behind it or use wire for its legs Dots on a ladybug
As fillers Use as nails on wood (like haunted house windows) Christmas bulbs on a tree paper piecing Eye on a frog
Use to embellish the corner of tags or Borders or Titles Attach fabric, twistel, or lace to paper Use stars to
replicate a night sky Ends of a hammock Use on butterfly wings Ovals as Easter Eggs Buttons on a dress Shoe buckle
Dots on a clown suit doll or paper piecing Sprinkles on an ice cream cone Sprinkles on a cupcake Use seashells on
paper torn to create a beach look I got this from a great website: http://scrapzing.kindredcreations.com/ If
you check about 1/2 way down the page they have Scrapbook Tutorials - great ideas and instructions. Sandy
[/quote:f6946061af]

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Posted by Michellebell on Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:25 PM    Post subject: Re: 70 Ways to use eyelets

Thank you so much Sandy! Some of these things never occurred to me. I guess I'm just lacking imagination. I'm gonna keep
this list for future reference. MIchelle P. Sandy wrote: [quote:da7ff559ab]Here are 70 different ways to use
eyelets on your pages....enjoy! Connectors on paper piecing for moveable parts (be sure to use a washer when doing this,
it helps the paper move more freely) Attaching vellum Accents on journal blocks To "hang" things from
Center of flowers Center of letters Spell out words (outline the letters) Corners of picture mat Eyes of paper dolls
Nails in a fence Earrings for a paper doll Belly button jewel for a paper doll "Stone" in a ring Buttons
on a snowman Decoration on a child's ball Stepping stones in a garden layout Attach a fiber to make a yo-yo Attach
elements on a page by wrapping wire or fiber To form "bullets" for a list of things As an accent on the tail
of a letter In the hole of a tag White-as stars on a black or navy blue sky White-as dropping snowflakes Light blue-
as falling raindrops Orange-as pumpkins White-as moonbeams Jeweled belt on a paper doll Brown-as chocolate chips on
a cookie Toppings on a pizza M & Ms Buttons on a shirt Decorations on an Easter Egg Decorations on a Christmas
Tree Purple-grapes in a cornucopia Lights on top of a police car or fire truck Center of a pinwheel Center of tires
Tires on a toy car End of antenna on a bug Center of fiber spider web Hair ornament on a girl paper doll The
"dot" on an i or j Attach handle to a basket To attach fibers or lacing something together Attach a sign to
a post Rocks Center of propeller on an airplane On Serendipity squares Sesame seeds on a bun Jeweled skirt on a
paper doll Use as a spider and paint a face on it with the legs behind it or use wire for its legs Dots on a ladybug
As fillers Use as nails on wood (like haunted house windows) Christmas bulbs on a tree paper piecing Eye on a frog
Use to embellish the corner of tags or Borders or Titles Attach fabric, twistel, or lace to paper Use stars to
replicate a night sky Ends of a hammock Use on butterfly wings Ovals as Easter Eggs Buttons on a dress Shoe buckle
Dots on a clown suit doll or paper piecing Sprinkles on an ice cream cone Sprinkles on a cupcake Use seashells on
paper torn to create a beach look I got this from a great website: http://scrapzing.kindredcreations.com/ If
you check about 1/2 way down the page they have Scrapbook Tutorials - great ideas and instructions.
Sandy[/quote:da7ff559ab]

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Posted by Sandy on Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:00 PM    Post subject: Re: color book

I think my favorite duct tape project still has got to be the prom dress.
http://www.ducktapeclub.com/contests/prom/archive.asp Sandy "UPSyours2" <UPSyours2@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:1150816218.108541.127220@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... [quote:674bdc165e]Hi Anji! I have never done
this but a few of my friends made these for there kids! Here's a few links I found about using DUCT TAPE for projects!
www.ducktapeclub.com/ducktivities/ Duct tape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe number of uses to which duct tape
can be put is a source of humor (many of these are collected in books by "The Duct Tape Guys"). One of Duck
Products ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape Duct tape handbagDuct-tape resources Books Ductigami: The Art of the Tape
($7.95, Boston Mills Press). ... The Jumbo Duct Tape Book ($8.95, Workman Publishing Co.). ...
img.azcentral.com/home/crafty/ articles/1005craftyideas05-CR.html Sean's Duct Tape Book CoverNothing says
"professional" more than a duct tape lab book cover! Measure the width of the book cover and the thickness of
the spine. ... www.seanm.ca/duct-tape/cover.html - This one comes from Ductigami: The Art of the Tape by Joe Wilson. He
does a much better job of describing it. Buy the book. I use this to make covers for my lab books at work. Nothing says
"professional" more than a duct tape lab book cover! Measure the width of the book cover and the thickness
of the spine. Calculate the width of the sheet: width + width + spine + 7 7/8" (20 cm) Make a sheet that is the
width calculated above by the height of the cover. Cover the edges with tape. Fold over 4" (10 cm) on each side and
tape. ~ANDREA~ Anji wrote: does anyone have any ideas for a color book for my 2 1/2 year old boy. i figured each page
would be a different color with stickers to match, but how to bind?? thanks in advance. Anji in idaho
[/quote:674bdc165e]

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View entire thread: Flycutters - they DO work :)
Posted by Bill Schwab on Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:51 PM    Post subject: Flycutters - they DO work :)

Hello all, My RF 31 and I haven't done too much damage to each other, and your advice has helped me to build some
useful items. In particular, the D-shell panel from hell is ready to enter service. I currently have some mounting
brackets taking up space in my shop, and hope to move on from them to a small transducer fixture. One of the mounts
brought my flycutter out of "retirement" and I decided to try one of the import brazed carbide bits that I
bought a while back. With a properly "ground" tool, I was suddenly able to take a lot more metal in one
cut than my own efforts allowed. I have been reading some old threads and a couple of books, but sometimes wonder
whether I am getting tricked by lathe-specific instructions?? Are there any good beginner resources on grinding
flycutter tools? One thought is to use HSS blanks and my $40 grinder (yell if I need something better) to try to make
a good copy of the carbide tipped wonder. Some older threads suggest that one should expect to apply some pressure
when grinding HSS. It sounds as though some of you hand-hold bits for grinding. Being a little cautious, I would
prefer a vise grip, which I have also seen mentioned. Other recommendations are most welcome should anyone disagree.
What kinds of wheels do you suggest I buy? What should I get to dress them? Bill

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Posted by Jim Stewart on Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:01 PM    Post subject: Re: Flycutters - they DO work :)

Bill Schwab wrote: [quote:3c2953e357]Hello all, My RF 31 and I haven't done too much damage to each other, and your
advice has helped me to build some useful items. In particular, the D-shell panel from hell is ready to enter service.
I currently have some mounting brackets taking up space in my shop, and hope to move on from them to a small transducer
fixture. One of the mounts brought my flycutter out of "retirement" and I decided to try one of the import
brazed carbide bits that I bought a while back. With a properly "ground" tool, I was suddenly able to take a
lot more metal in one cut than my own efforts allowed. I have been reading some old threads and a couple of books, but
sometimes wonder whether I am getting tricked by lathe-specific instructions?? Are there any good beginner resources on
grinding flycutter tools? [/quote:3c2953e357] My first attempt at grinding a flycutter tool was to make it like a lathe
tool. My second attempt to make it like what I *thought* a flycutter tool should look like. Both were miserable
failures. Then I asked an old retired machinist how to grind one.... No more problems. [quote:3c2953e357]One thought
is to use HSS blanks and my $40 grinder (yell if I need something better) to try to make a good copy of the carbide
tipped wonder. Some older threads suggest that one should expect to apply some pressure when grinding HSS. It sounds
as though some of you hand-hold bits for grinding. Being a little cautious, I would prefer a vise grip, which I have
also seen mentioned. Other recommendations are most welcome should anyone disagree. [/quote:3c2953e357] I handhold it
after I wrap 3-4 turns of 3M high temperature electrical tape on one end for a handle. [quote:3c2953e357]What kinds of
wheels do you suggest I buy? What should I get to dress them? Bill [/quote:3c2953e357]

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Posted by Harold and Susan Vordos on Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:36 AM    Post subject: Re: Flycutters - they DO work :)

"Bill Schwab" <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote in message news:ecl6kq$747i$1@usenet.osg.ufl.edu... snip-
[quote:48d01a6659]Are there any good beginner resources on grinding flycutter tools? [/quote:48d01a6659] OK---more
comments from me, this time not in haste. Robin, who is working in the industry, has given you some very good
guidelines on grinding toolbits. Truth is, there's very little difference between a lathe tool and a fly cutting tool,
aside from front clearance. Because the tool rotates in a relatively small circle, front clearance must be extreme.
Rake can be adjusted by grinding proper chip breakers, a very useful thing to know and understand. When using a fly
cutter, you have options of how the tool can be mounted. The cutting edge should be on center, even if you have to run
the cutter in reverse. If you don't observe that rule, the front clearance on your tool will always be wrong for the
application unless you grind it accordingly. [quote:48d01a6659] One thought is to use HSS blanks and my $40 grinder
(yell if I need something better) to try to make a good copy of the carbide tipped wonder. Some older threads suggest
that one should expect to apply some pressure when grinding HSS. [/quote:48d01a6659] Yep, that's true, but it need not
be excessive. And yes, your $40 grinder will work, but it likely has a terrible wheel for the purpose. I already
commented earlier about dressing your wheel with diamond. DON'T DO IT! Diamond dressed wheels for offhand grinding are a
bad idea. The exceedingly smooth wheel will not cut well, and will cut very hot, burning your tool instead of removing
metal. Buy yourself a sintered silicon carbide dressing stick from one of the tool supply houses and learn to use it.
They're cheap, less than $5, and will last you a life time in the hobby shop. The wheel so dressed will come close to
rivaling the surface of a diamond dressed wheel in smoothness, yet still cut quite well. I mentioned earlier that the
wheel will cut very best if dressed with a star dresser, but they aren't the easiest thing to use without wasting a lot
of wheel, and putting a lot of dust in the air in your shop. They work by fracturing the grains by hammering, leaving
dead sharp grain behind to do the grinding. It doesn't get better than that. I hate the damned things and don't even
own one. [quote:48d01a6659]It sounds as though some of you hand-hold bits for grinding. [/quote:48d01a6659] Unless you
have a cutter grinder at your disposal, there IS NO OTHER WAY! You will never learn to grind toolbits if you use devices
that limit your control. That may not make sense when you strike out, but it will when you try to hold sizes. Fact
is, even a tool rest is a mistake, but it takes considerable experience before you can free-hand grind toolbits that
way. I grind HSS toolbits exactly as I say-----and can grind pretty much any kind of configuration imaginable, including
gear forms, and chip breakers. These, of course, are all single point tools, not multiple toothed cutters.
[quote:48d01a6659]Being a little cautious, I would prefer a vise grip, which I have also seen mentioned. Other
recommendations are most welcome should anyone disagree. What kinds of wheels do you suggest I buy? What should I get
to dress them?[/quote:48d01a6659] Dressing them has already been addressed, above. The wheels that will serve you
best are aluminum oxide wheels, with a grit spread of 46 to 60. Don't go finer, although an 80 does a remarkable job of
leaving a great finish. Problem is, they cut hot and slow. My personal choice is a Norton 38A60K8VBE. I don't
necessarily stick to that designation----going harder (L or M) or even softer (H, I , or J), depending on what's on
hand, and what the job demands. Soft wheels break down quicker, but cut faster and cooler. You'll eventually come to
understand where you get the best performance for your personal grinding style. It's not the same for everyone. Don't
alter course on the bond. Vitrified wheels are the only choice for offhand grinding. You'll get the very best
selection if you'll go out of your way to make an adapter with proper flanges that will accommodate wheels that run on
surface grinders. Such wheels are 7" (or 8") x 1/2" x 1-1/4" arbor size. Observe all safety rules
---ring the wheels before mounting them, and don't overdrive them. Don't stand in front of them when you spool up the
grinder. Give it a few moments of top speed operation before trusting it. That rule applies every time you turn it,
or ANY grinder, on. Also, don't under-drive the wheels.. Slow wheels behave soft and slough away quickly. They are
rated at a given hardness at the proper speed, not below. Well worn wheels that are reduced in diameter run soft, but
will firm right up if you can get the surface speed back up. There's more, but this should give you some basics from
which you can start. Harold

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Posted by Wild Bill on Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:06 PM    Post subject: Re: Flycutters - they DO work :)

Probably the easiest way to avoid burning fingertips while hand grinding HSS, is to grind numerous blanks, laying them
down on a plate of steel (or uhlumium, loonimun) when they get uncomfortable to hold, then picking up a cool one and
doing some grinding on that one until it gets extra-warm (not scorching). The room temperature plate will sink heat away
from the blanks fairly quickly. I don't care for the visegrip method because the jaws aren't really gripping the tool
blank, since the jaws and the blank are both hardened materials. The jaws will hold fairly well in one direction, but
not too well when rotated 90 degrees. The plier shape isn't symmetrical and is not inline with the blank's axis, and
obtaining different grinding angles is a bit tedious and awkward. A long while ago, I posted a link to one of my old
webpages (gone now), a fairly easy method of making a broached holder for square HSS blanks. A section of round stock is
machined to resemble a deep broach to accept the square HSS blank. I haven't seen any commercially-made tools/holders
that are made for this purpose, so they would need to be made by the user AFAIK. These holders have served me well for
"grinding the hell" outta tool blanks, into the brown heat range without stopping to let them cool. A good 36
grit wheel will rip that shape down faster than you'd imagine, compared to holding the blanks with your fingers or other
improvised method. The hloder makes it easy to keep the pressure on, while vigorously traversing the face of the wheel.
The handle is always in line with the tool blank's axis, and makes handling of the holder easy at any single or compound
angle. The details that Harold describes will make stock removal nearly effortless. I have and use a diamond dressers,
and also the dressing "stone" for cleaning/refacing the wheel face at regular intervals. The basic steps of
machining the holder are Use 1/2" round stock 8-12" long for 5/16" blanks, 5/8" for 3/8"
blanks With a lathe or mill, cut a flat along the stock, creating a sort-of D shape, a little longer than the length of
new tool blanks. Plan your cuts to keep the square in the center of the diameter. Cut into the flat face with an
endmill (lathe or mill), to create the broached recess, the same square dimension of the tool blank.. 5/16",
3/8" etc (and the length of the recess about 1/2" longer than the length of new tool blanks). Remove a little
more in depth than the top of the tool blank's top side will be. Replace the metal that was cut away to produce the
flat with a section of flat stock and weld in place at both ends, but just the ends. Rough-in the round shape of the
round stock (with a grinder and/or file), then finish turning the welded-in section round, to match the round stock's
diameter. Cut off the weld at the open end. This results in a deep broach in a round handle, with one side of the
broach being the piece that was welded in to replace the material that was milled away. The trick was to keep a small
gap (about .004") between the flat that was milled away and the flat stock that was added, so that the tool blank
can be securely clamped in the broach with as much of the blank as you would want sticking out. Picture a collet for
holding square stock, but only one side slitted and floating. The way I attained the small gap was to place pieces of
shim stock between the flat piece of added stock and the machined flat, for the welding step. A locking shaft collar
can be slid over the end of broach area for clamping, or a square block that has been drilled and slitted (with
provisions for a clamping screw). The square block works well when used on the grinder's tool rest, since the flat
bottom side keeps a reference while the tool blank is ground, allowing for fine rotational adjustments to be made (to
adjust grinding angles in relatively fine increments while referencing the tool rest). When you become proficient at
grinding cutting tools (not bits), you will have earned the right to refer to yourself as a Grindor No self-respecting
operator would call himself a grinder.. A note about sharpening cutting tools on belt sander/grinders. The cloth-backed
belt will create a crown in the ground area, creating a false angle (an arc instad of a flat facet). If you're good at
visualization, sharpen the tool upside-down, so the arc isn't in the immediate area of the cutting edges. Otherwise,
build a belt grinder that runs the belt backwards, to sharpen them right-side up. Protect yourself from the sparks and
debris. WB ............... Bill Schwab wrote: [quote:4d57628de1]Hello all, My RF 31 and I haven't done too much
damage to each other, and your advice has helped me to build some useful items. In particular, the D-shell panel from
hell is ready to enter service. I currently have some mounting brackets taking up space in my shop, and hope to move on
from them to a small transducer fixture. One of the mounts brought my flycutter out of "retirement" and I
decided to try one of the import brazed carbide bits that I bought a while back. With a properly "ground"
tool, I was suddenly able to take a lot more metal in one cut than my own efforts allowed. I have been reading some old
threads and a couple of books, but sometimes wonder whether I am getting tricked by lathe-specific instructions?? Are
there any good beginner resources on grinding flycutter tools? One thought is to use HSS blanks and my $40 grinder
(yell if I need something better) to try to make a good copy of the carbide tipped wonder. Some older threads suggest
that one should expect to apply some pressure when grinding HSS. It sounds as though some of you hand-hold bits for
grinding. Being a little cautious, I would prefer a vise grip, which I have also seen mentioned. Other recommendations
are most welcome should anyone disagree. What kinds of wheels do you suggest I buy? What should I get to dress them?
Bill[/quote:4d57628de1]

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Posted by News Surfer on Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:57 PM    Post subject: Re: Flycutters - they DO work :)

bill, why spend the time and effort making your own flycutter inserts when they are so readily available and cheap! i
use AR5 replaceable carbide tipped fly-cutter arms and have found them to work really well, and only around $10 a
piece. "Bill Schwab" <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote in message news:ecl6kq$747i$1@usenet.osg.ufl.edu...
[quote:348d897458]Hello all, My RF 31 and I haven't done too much damage to each other, and your advice has helped me
to build some useful items. In particular, the D-shell panel from hell is ready to enter service. I currently have
some mounting brackets taking up space in my shop, and hope to move on from them to a small transducer fixture. One of
the mounts brought my flycutter out of "retirement" and I decided to try one of the import brazed carbide bits
that I bought a while back. With a properly "ground" tool, I was suddenly able to take a lot more metal in one
cut than my own efforts allowed. I have been reading some old threads and a couple of books, but sometimes wonder
whether I am getting tricked by lathe-specific instructions?? Are there any good beginner resources on grinding
flycutter tools? One thought is to use HSS blanks and my $40 grinder (yell if I need something better) to try to make a
good copy of the carbide tipped wonder. Some older threads suggest that one should expect to apply some pressure when
grinding HSS. It sounds as though some of you hand-hold bits for grinding. Being a little cautious, I would prefer a
vise grip, which I have also seen mentioned. Other recommendations are most welcome should anyone disagree. What kinds
of wheels do you suggest I buy? What should I get to dress them? Bill [/quote:348d897458]

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View entire thread: How expensive is it to get a chuck reground?
Posted by Eric R Snow on Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:28 PM    Post subject: Re: How expensive is it to get a chuck reground?

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:04:23 GMT, "Carl Ijames" <carl.ijames@nospm.verizon.net> wrote:
[quote:36a37b1170]The 3 jaw chuck (about 8") in our manual lathe is getting pretty bad, several thou out of round
and several thou of taper which makes holding small or long stuff about impossible. How expensive would it be to have
someone come in with a toolpost grinder and clean up the jaws? We're in Maryland, between Baltimore and Washington, DC
- recommendations welcome. Thanks. Greetings Carl,[/quote:36a37b1170] Instead of sending it out you should do it in
house. On the lathe. If you don't have a die grinder then buy one. It will be lots cheaper than buying a chuck or
sending it out. For grinding the inside of the jaws you will need to chuck something up in the jaws to load them
properly. If the chuck has removable top jaws this is easy. With the jaws closed down to the diameter that's just
smaller than the through hole in the chuck determine the diameter of the jaw bolt holes nearest to the chuck ID. Then
drill and tap a ring such that the tapped holes are on the same diameter. The thread size should be as close in size as
possible to the hole size in the jaw. Screw short screws into this ring leaving only a little of the screw protruding.
This is because they won't be able to go very far into the chuck jaw before they hit the jaw screw head. If the head is
too close to the jaw surface then face the heads down on some screws to be used just for this job. Now, with the screws
in the ring located in the jaw screw holes tighten the chuck onto them. This will spring the jaws out the same way they
would be when chucking on a part. Mount the die grinder to the tool post. Most likely the die grinder will need to be at
an angle because the grinding wheel will probably be smaller in diameter than the die grinder body. And you want the
grinding wheel as close to the grinder body as possible. If you can, use a diamond to dress the grinding wheel. One way
that works is to use a C clamp to clamp a diamond dresser to a chuck jaw. Then just pass the grinding wheel across the
diamond. Finally, run the lathe in the forward direction and LIGHTLY touch the grinding wheel to the inside of the jaws.
Most likely the point of first contact will be at the back of the jaws. Taking small amounts with each pass of the wheel
is best. Like .001". Or less. Since I don't know what wheel you will be using, how hard the jaws are, how fast the
die grinder spins, and lots of other variables I can't tell you how much to take off with each pass, how fast to spin
the chuck, and what feed rate to use. You will just have to find out what works best in your situation. You will need to
dress the grinding wheel more than once. Check the wheel for glazing. This means the wheel is getting dull. It will
actually look kinda shiny. When the jaws are ground to your satisfaction make passes to spark out. So you will be making
spring passes until the wheel no longer makes any sparks. And make sure when doing these final passes that the wheel
isn't glazed. If you turn off the die grinder you should dress the wheel when you turn it on again. MAKE SURE EVERYTHING
IS COVERED WHEN GRINDING THE JAWS AND WHEN DRESSING THE WHEEL. I CAN'T STRESS THIS TOO STRONGLY. You don't want any
abrasive dust getting into the moving parts of your lathe and destroying the accuracy. After the grinding is done take
apart the chuck and clean it. Actually, you should take the chuck apart BEFORE grinding and clean it. Then of course
clean it after grinding. And clean the lathe too while you're at it. Make sure you can put the chuck back together the
same so that it's still accurate after grinding. It's best to have the lathe free of oily surfaces when grinding to keep
any wayward dust from sticking. ERS

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View entire thread: OT-Illegal Alien Stats
Posted by Ed Huntress on Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:30 AM    Post subject: Re: OT-Illegal Alien Stats

"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:lk5lh252d4mor9an22t976rlk0e0m3bndd@4ax.com... [quote:e41c0505f4]On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:51:30 -0400, with neither
quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> quickly quoth: "Larry Jaques"
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message news:inmjh2tvlbtmn7gdo6r1q4ror8pvkiqcae@4ax.com... Anyway, make
your point with specifics, please. First, this is not about the "problem with illegals." This is a piece of
propaganda trying to deceive you with phony "facts," beginning with the fact that there is no such
"report," as the Snopes listing makes clear. The posting was cooked up from a few facts, half-truths, and
outright lies. It was pasted together in the same way Joseph Goebbels taught a generation of propagandists to work: mix
in a few facts to make it that much easier to swallow, and harder to dismiss. I see that you disagree with the slant on
the report. ;) Why is it that nowadays, everyone "we" disagree with is either a Nazi or Fascist? Goebbels,
was he in Marketing? <titter [/quote:e41c0505f4] I don't care if Goebbels was a Nazi or a Martian. He was the guy who
codified propaganda in its modern form. Who would you refer to if you were talking about that mix of lies and a few
truths that Goebbels put to such effective use? Groucho Marx? <g> [quote:e41c0505f4] For example, the births
reported for "illegals" actually are those of ALL Hispanics, legal and otherwise. Some key stats are
*undocumented* testimony from Heather MacDonald (Manhatten Institute, a conservative "think tank," who
certainly knows how to document facts). And on, and on. OK, so we cut the figure in half. [/quote:e41c0505f4] Why would
you "cut the figure in half," except to point out that the people who cooked up Gunner's piece of crap are
outright propagandists? What's wrong with just telling the truth, Larry? Maybe the truth isn't convincing enough, so
they have to lard it with lies to get you good and riled? For example, the fact that these tidbits were dredged up from
sources of mixed repute might not be very convincing, so they have to tell us that, as Gunner reported, it's an
official government report, the "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented
Immigration"? I guess they don't want to face any skepticism, counting on compliant readers to swallow it if they
lie about the source. And it worked: they sure got you, huh? <g> [quote:e41c0505f4] Even a casual reading of
Snopes' cautious and modest critique of the piece should tell you that the source is phony, that the facts are often
twisted, and the sources are unsupported. You'll notice that this list has been attributed to various sources, including
the LA Times and a "retired San Diego police officer." OK, the source hasn't been verified...
[/quote:e41c0505f4] Wasn't VERIFIED? Christ, it was an outright lie. There is no such "source." They made up
the "INS/FBI report" out of thin air. What else did they make up? [quote:e41c0505f4]..., but look at it this
way. What if the reviewers were only able to find these additional sources for similar facts? If the original is valid
(but not available on the Net to those researchers), these new sources would further confirm the stories, even if they
don't sport identical stats. And you know the favorite quote about statistics... [/quote:e41c0505f4] And if they
reported that pigs can fly, and if the original source was not available on the Web, maybe the new sources would
confirm it. Would that mean that pigs can fly? Or would it mean that Larry has a strong disposition to suspend
disbelief because he likes the sound of this "report"? [quote:e41c0505f4] In other words, it's a snow job,
your anecdotes notwithstanding. We all realize there are many problems with illegal immigrants. But this piece is the
kind of thing that's intended to whip up indignation, not to document the real facts. This is the kind of thing you'd
expect to hear in a totalitarian state -- or on the Internet, at the kinds of places where Gunner acquires his
"facts." It promotes thought and discussion on the subject, doesn't it? Even if it's not perfect and is
skewed, it puts all those various items together (for the first time I've seen it) to show a more clear picture of the
damage done by the bad element coming across our loose borders. [/quote:e41c0505f4] How would you know that, given that
some of it clearly is lies, other parts of it are alleged by partisans on the issue but are not documented, and that
some truth has been mixed in to help keep your indignation inflamed? For example, taken in isolation, what does it mean
that those broadcasting stations broadcast (some programming, or sometimes all programming) in Spanish? Hmmm...maybe
it means that Spanish-speakers are the ones disproportionately listening and watching? Duh... How many white people
who speak English do YOU know who listen to the dreck on AM radio, except at drive time, or to listen to a ball game?
[quote:e41c0505f4](Not that we could ever stop anyone from coming into the States even if we tried, nor have we
eliminated our own bad elements.) [/quote:e41c0505f4] Well, I'm glad that my relatives got in before somebody tried
eliminating them. The first batch came in 1654, but my mother's side slipped in during the 1920s. 'Course, they came
in through Ellis Island while nobody was looking. [quote:e41c0505f4] I'm curious about something, since you generally
hold truth in high regard: How can you even hint at tolerating this kind of transparent propaganda? I'm assuming you're
aware of Goebbal's descriptions of how he did his work, and you must be aware that this is the same kind of hit. Right?
I always read "reports" with a shaker of salt, no matter how solid their source. Having lived there and having
seen the inside of the hospital ERs (primarily as a driver) and courts (from a prosecutorial point only, TYVM), I
recognized that the figures in that report were probably close to true; they felt about right. [/quote:e41c0505f4] When
somebody tells you this is from a "INS/FBI report," 1st Quarter, 2006, and there's no such stinking report
anywhere, how do you feel about that? It's obvious that they're trying to get something past you -- they think that
you'll buy the lie if they dress it up. Or maybe you don't care, if the "facts" they report happen to agree
with your own anecdotal impressions. Is this gullibility a libertarian thing, Larry? <g> [quote:e41c0505f4]As
to deeper on the environment side, I'm looking at _The Skeptical Envoronmentalist_ by Bjorn Lomborg and _Hard Green_ by
Peter Huber. Hard Green is in my library system. The deeper I delve, the more I realize that Stossel's new book title
is absolutely correct. _Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel--Why Everything You Know is Wrong_ ;)
And it's only going to get worse... [/quote:e41c0505f4] Vote Libertarian. They'll kiss the boo-boos and make everything
better. They're as gullible as baby rabbits, but they can't be bought. <g> -- Ed Huntress

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View entire thread: OT-Illegal Alien Stats
Posted by Larry Jaques on Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:03 PM    Post subject: Re: OT-Illegal Alien Stats

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:30:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
quickly quoth: [quote:3cb952736a]For example, the births reported for "illegals" actually are those of ALL
Hispanics, legal and otherwise. Some key stats are *undocumented* testimony from Heather MacDonald (Manhatten Institute,
a conservative "think tank," who certainly knows how to document facts). And on, and on. OK, so we cut the
figure in half. Why would you "cut the figure in half," except to point out that the people who cooked up
Gunner's piece of crap are outright propagandists? What's wrong with just telling the truth, Larry? [/quote:3cb952736a]
Nothing. The unvarnished truth is always best. It's just not as marketable. When was the last time you saw the same
figures compiled by both Reps and Dems which showed their outcomes the same? Who is NOT a propagandist, Ed? Why isn't
your outrage against the propaganda our Congress puts out 1,000 times daily instead of someone on Usenet? Get your
priorities in line, man! [quote:3cb952736a]Maybe the truth isn't convincing enough, so they have to lard it with lies
to get you good and riled? For example, the fact that these tidbits were dredged up from sources of mixed repute might
not be very convincing, so they have to tell us that, [/quote:3cb952736a] That's obviously their fear, and it's probably
well founded. What I do it look beyond the lies and find the facts. I hope you and others do, too. Despite its flaws,
the "report" makes us -think- and that's A Good Thing(tm). If you were to negate all reports which had flawed
logic, false statistics, or cooked sources, you'd remove 98% (my SWAG-cooked stat) of all reports from the face of the
Earth, Ed. [quote:3cb952736a]as Gunner reported, it's an official government report, the "2006 (First Quarter)
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigration"? [/quote:3cb952736a] Yes, the writer gets an F for honesty,
but that doesn't remove the truth from the report statistics. The "FBI Report" was an obvious hook to get
people to at least read the thing. [quote:3cb952736a]I guess they don't want to face any skepticism, counting on
compliant readers to swallow it if they lie about the source. And it worked: they sure got you, huh? <g
[/quote:3cb952736a] I suspend my belief with supermagnets! Kinda like Searz Horsepower, magazine readership, and Million
Man March attendance figures, and penis enlarger pill figures, huh? ;) [quote:3cb952736a]How would you know that,
given that some of it clearly is lies, other parts of it are alleged by partisans on the issue but are not documented,
and that some truth has been mixed in to help keep your indignation inflamed? [/quote:3cb952736a] It's a shock piece.
Take from it what you will and let the rest go. Any one fact from there is enough to startle or inflame you.
[quote:3cb952736a]How many white people who speak English do YOU know who listen to the dreck on AM radio, except at
drive time, or to listen to a ball game? [/quote:3cb952736a] Only two who listen to AM, and that's only during drive
time, so my answer will have to be zero. I don't understand the talk-radio thing, either. [quote:3cb952736a](Not that
we could ever stop anyone from coming into the States even if we tried, nor have we eliminated our own bad elements.)
Well, I'm glad that my relatives got in before somebody tried eliminating them. The first batch came in 1654, but my
mother's side slipped in during the 1920s. 'Course, they came in through Ellis Island while nobody was looking.
[/quote:3cb952736a] Those were known as LEGAL aliens, sir. We're discussing ILLEGALS here. [quote:3cb952736a]When
somebody tells you this is from a "INS/FBI report," 1st Quarter, 2006, and there's no such stinking report
anywhere, how do you feel about that? It's obvious that they're trying to get something past you -- they think that
you'll buy the lie if they dress it up. [/quote:3cb952736a] Do you get so angry with all newspaper headlines, too, Ed?
They're written to catch your attention and make you read the articles. I see that as no less of a lie. I'd prefer it to
be otherwise, but what can we do? Sheeple prefer lies. Titillation over Truth. That sucks, huh? Ed, people will
continue to write things. How you listen and what you do with it is entirely up to you. [quote:3cb952736a]As to deeper
on the environment side, I'm looking at _The Skeptical Envoronmentalist_ by Bjorn Lomborg and _Hard Green_ by Peter
Huber. Hard Green is in my library system. The deeper I delve, the more I realize that Stossel's new book title is
absolutely correct. _Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel--Why Everything You Know is Wrong_ ;)
And it's only going to get worse... Vote Libertarian. They'll kiss the boo-boos and make everything better. They're as
gullible as baby rabbits, but they can't be bought. <g [/quote:3cb952736a] May you live in interesting times, Mr.
Liberal. --== May The Angst Be With You! ==-- -Yoda, on a bad day --
http://diversify.com Ending Your Web Page Angst.

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Posted by Ed Huntress on Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:27 PM    Post subject: Re: OT-Illegal Alien Stats

"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:1bgvh250ok4ik3n4rn2fikijckpbq8qagt@4ax.com... [quote:545e8e56b0]On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:30:06 -0400, with neither
quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> quickly quoth: For example, the births
reported for "illegals" actually are those of ALL Hispanics, legal and otherwise. Some key stats are
*undocumented* testimony from Heather MacDonald (Manhatten Institute, a conservative "think tank," who
certainly knows how to document facts). And on, and on. OK, so we cut the figure in half. Why would you "cut the
figure in half," except to point out that the people who cooked up Gunner's piece of crap are outright
propagandists? What's wrong with just telling the truth, Larry? Nothing. The unvarnished truth is always best. It's
just not as marketable. [/quote:545e8e56b0] Not so. Honest, serious, in-depth reporting is the kind of thing that
uncovered Watergate, the Tonkin Gulf Incident, Enron, and an endless stream of other revelations of malfeasance. It's
the most marketable commodity in the world of communication, if it's pursued with courage and integrity. It produces
the most powerful and memorable results. [quote:545e8e56b0]When was the last time you saw the same figures compiled by
both Reps and Dems which showed their outcomes the same? [/quote:545e8e56b0] Often. What they do is emphasize different
things--they have different ideas about what is important and what is meaningless. Thus, they often highlight
different facts and reach opposite conclusions. But fudging figures, in big political contests, tends to get found out.
Not always, but often. [quote:545e8e56b0]Who is NOT a propagandist, Ed? Why isn't your outrage against the propaganda
our Congress puts out 1,000 times daily instead of someone on Usenet? Get your priorities in line, man!
[/quote:545e8e56b0] When was the last time you saw a report from Congress that alleged some cooked-up numbers were the
product of an "INS/FBI report," that didn't exist? They can't get away with that kind of blatant crap.
[quote:545e8e56b0] Maybe the truth isn't convincing enough, so they have to lard it with lies to get you good and
riled? For example, the fact that these tidbits were dredged up from sources of mixed repute might not be very
convincing, so they have to tell us that, That's obviously their fear, and it's probably well founded. What I do it
look beyond the lies and find the facts. I hope you and others do, too. [/quote:545e8e56b0] Well, yeah, I've sort of
built a career upon it. <g> In my work now, it's not unusual for me to spend four days fact-checking a 20 page
article. [quote:545e8e56b0]Despite its flaws, the "report" makes us -think- and that's A Good Thing(tm). If
you were to negate all reports which had flawed logic, false statistics, or cooked sources, you'd remove 98% (my SWAG-
cooked stat) of all reports from the face of the Earth, Ed. [/quote:545e8e56b0] I don't know what kind of media cesspool
you're talking about, but the media I follow tend to be pretty good about uncovering that stuff. [quote:545e8e56b0] as
Gunner reported, it's an official government report, the "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on
Undocumented Immigration"? Yes, the writer gets an F for honesty... [/quote:545e8e56b0] I'll say.
[quote:545e8e56b0]...but that doesn't remove the truth from the report statistics. [/quote:545e8e56b0] You have this
propaganda business upside-down, Larry. The point is not that it contains some truth. Joseph Goebbels was always
careful to include some truth. It makes the lies go down a little easier. And the lies are chosen in a way that,
combined with the bits of truth, they whip up indignation, break down your defenses, and make you more accepting of the
total outrage that the propagandists are trying to cook up. Of course there is some truth in there. That's how
propaganda works. Goebbels laid it all out for us, and it's become the modus operendi of the Internet. All you need is
some unwitting hosts, like Gunner, to spread it around and make it sound credible because you're hearing it from so
many sources. Of course, the "sources" are all feeding off of each others' crap. With thousands of Gunners
around, who needs computer trojans? It isn't easy to draw the lines between bias and persuastion, on one hand, and
Goebbels-style propaganda, on the other, but it's important. Propaganda as it's usually defined today is based on a
method, and it includes outright lies, such as the claim that Gunner's "report" was an official accounting
from the INS/FBI. [quote:545e8e56b0]The "FBI Report" was an obvious hook to get people to at least read the
thing. I guess they don't want to face any skepticism, counting on compliant readers to swallow it if they lie about
the source. And it worked: they sure got you, huh? <g I suspend my belief with supermagnets! Kinda like Searz
Horsepower, magazine readership, and Million Man March attendance figures, and penis enlarger pill figures, huh? ;)
[/quote:545e8e56b0] Sears "horsepower" isn't a lie, it's an attempt to play on peoples' ignorance, like SAE
Gross horsepower figures for cars in the '50s and '60s. And they have to do it because the competition does it.
Magazine readership for good magazines is audited by the ABC or the BPA. I worked at that business, as you know, in
the '70s. You can't slip a thing past the audit bureaus. Regarding Million Man March attendance figures, you could have
gotten fairly accurate ones by reading a few newspaper evaluations from serious publishers. In fact, if you know the
March promoters' figures were inflated, how do you know that? Maybe you read some figures in the media that were
lower, and you give them more credibility? But how do you know they're more credible, hmmm? Penis enlarger pill
figures are lies, false-advertising crimes that are too numerous and trivial to prosecute. [quote:545e8e56b0] How
would you know that, given that some of it clearly is lies, other parts of it are alleged by partisans on the issue but
are not documented, and that some truth has been mixed in to help keep your indignation inflamed? It's a shock piece.
Take from it what you will and let the rest go. Any one fact from there is enough to startle or inflame you.
[/quote:545e8e56b0] But which one is true? Are you being startled and inflamed by lies, so you'll continue to be
incensed when you happen to trip over a bit of truth? And how do you know some of those figures are the truth? Snopes'
fact-checking was partly from government sources. But government is a gaggle of politicians. I thought you didn't
believe politicians?? And why do you believe Snopes? [quote:545e8e56b0] How many white people who speak English do
YOU know who listen to the dreck on AM radio, except at drive time, or to listen to a ball game? Only two who listen to
AM, and that's only during drive time, so my answer will have to be zero. I don't understand the talk-radio thing,
either. (Not that we could ever stop anyone from coming into the States even if we tried, nor have we eliminated our
own bad elements.) Well, I'm glad that my relatives got in before somebody tried eliminating them. The first batch came
in 1654, but my mother's side slipped in during the 1920s. 'Course, they came in through Ellis Island while nobody was
looking. Those were known as LEGAL aliens, sir. We're discussing ILLEGALS here. [/quote:545e8e56b0] I don't think my
late-comer relatives were any more qualified as immigrants than the current crop. My grandfather from Hungary was a
prize-fighter and a woodcutter. But immigration was lax then. He would have tried to get in even if it wasn't lax.
[quote:545e8e56b0] When somebody tells you this is from a "INS/FBI report," 1st Quarter, 2006, and there's no
such stinking report anywhere, how do you feel about that? It's obvious that they're trying to get something past you --
they think that you'll buy the lie if they dress it up. Do you get so angry with all newspaper headlines, too, Ed?
They're written to catch your attention and make you read the articles. I see that as no less of a lie.
[/quote:545e8e56b0] As one who has written headlines for over 30 years, I make a distinction between lies and
provocations. If the provocations go over the line, they're bad and misleading headlines. There are plenty of them.
They stink. Outright lies stink even more. [quote:545e8e56b0]I'd prefer it to be otherwise, but what can we do?
[/quote:545e8e56b0] For one thing, don't make apologies for them, as you're doing in this case. You're defending the
indefensible. [quote:545e8e56b0]Sheeple prefer lies. Titillation over Truth. That sucks, huh? [/quote:545e8e56b0] I
take it that the "sheeple" are people who aren't as smart as Gunner, or as perspicacious as you Libertarians,
perhaps? <g> [quote:545e8e56b0]Ed, people will continue to write things. How you listen and what you do with it
is entirely up to you. [/quote:545e8e56b0] Ok. And I'll do my best to point out the propagandists and other liars.
[quote:545e8e56b0] As to deeper on the environment side, I'm looking at _The Skeptical Envoronmentalist_ by Bjorn
Lomborg and _Hard Green_ by Peter Huber. Hard Green is in my library system. The deeper I delve, the more I realize
that Stossel's new book title is absolutely correct. _Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel--Why
Everything You Know is Wrong_ ;) And it's only going to get worse... Vote Libertarian. They'll kiss the boo-boos and
make everything better. They're as gullible as baby rabbits, but they can't be bought. <g May you live in
interesting times, Mr. Liberal. [/quote:545e8e56b0] Liberal? Moi? Me, a moral absolutist, civil-rights defender,
supporter of the Second Amendment, registered Republican and fiscal conservative? You call ME a liberal? As Allen
Bloom said, libertarianism is the right-wing of the Left. It must keep you spinning in circles, trying to sort out
liberals from conservatives. <g> -- Ed Huntress

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View entire thread: Electric die grinder recommendations
Posted by Robin S. on Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:10 PM    Post subject: Re: Electric die grinder recommendations

Christopher Tidy wrote: [quote:13e2d61455] A few questions: Am I better off with a low speed grinder (< 7000 rpm) or
with a high speed grinder (7000 - 28000 rpm)? Am I better off getting a variable speed grinder, or a quality fixed speed
grinder like the Hitachi? Does anyone have any particularly good or bad experiences with these products?
[/quote:13e2d61455] I use die grinders extensively at work for precision die making. We use carbide burrs, mounted
stones and flap wheels. I would recommend against the slow-speed machines. I use carbide burrs on everything from mild
steel and aluminium to hardened D2 tool steel and while they don't last as long in the tougher steels, I don't reduce
the speed at all. If you're expecting to use some very large stones (I've never) then the variable speed will be
useful. I wouldn't spend a lot extra on it, however. One further suggestion. You should pick up a black dressing stone,
if you don't already have one, for your mounted points. Points are not true out of the box and you'll need to dress them
unless you enjoy feeling the grinder vibrate to the point where you cannot use it. An untrued point will make your work
look l