View entire thread: Polishing stainless? (Dumb question for the week)
Posted by John Husvar on Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:19 PM    Post subject: Re: Polishing stainless? (Dumb question for the week)



In article <GfSdnSMA1rMIdbTYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>, Abrasha <abrasha@abrasha.com> wrote:
[quote:a3e455abf7]John Husvar wrote: I've been forging 1.5 - 3" pennanular brooches out of mild steel and/or 308
and 316 stainless for a reseller. The problem I have is getting a high polish on the stainless ones. Before you start
working with a polishing compound, make sure that you have sanded really very fine. You cannot remove rough scratches
with a polishing compound. Use a polishing motor with an RPM of around 1725, and use polishing buffs of fine muslin. I
use a polishing compound that I buy from a jewelry tool supply house. Works great. It's white. See
http://www.ottofrei.com/store/product.php?productid=5937&cat=0&page=5#DetImage For the final polish I use a
green compound commonly used for Platinum. The results are great. See:
http://www.ottofrei.com/store/product.php?productid=5933&cat=0&page=4 Here are a couple of pages with my
results: http://www.abrasha.com/slideshow/rings/tension%20set%20bands.htm
http://www.abrasha.com/slideshow/rings/comfort%20fit%20bands.htm Good luck. [/quote:a3e455abf7] Thank you for the
suggestions. You obviously know what you're talking about WRT polishing. :) Those rings are beautiful. My problem is
that I make these things in lots of 25-50. So I'm looking for a mechanical method of doing at least the basic descale,
passivation, and preliminary polish. I don't really need a finish as fine as on your rings. Just a good bright finish.
A satin finish would do although finer is of course better. There aren't any scratches to speak of, just fire scale
and some forging marks. The forging marks are not an issue as my customer's customers want that "handmade"
appearance. :) Buffing each piece individually is too time consuming. Thus my quest for a mechanical process. To give
a better idea of what I'm making: A piece of (1/8 to 1/4-inch,depending on desired proportions) square stock is heated
and twisted to 5 to 20 turns per inch. Then the ends of the stock are forged either flat or drawn to points and
scrolled. The pieces are then bent into almost closed circles and a pin is put on. The pin of 1/16 to 3/32 inch round
stock is bent around one side of the main piece and left to extend slightly past the opposite side. SCA calls these
pennanular brooches. They may have another name as well. They are often used to secure a cloak or the ends of a great
kilt that go over the shoulder. One takes the cloth, pulls it through the circle and runs the pin through it. The
natural tension of the cloth holds the pin against the body of the brooch. -- Bring back, Oh bring back Oh, bring
back that old continuity. Bring back, oh, bring back Oh, bring back Clerk Maxwell to me.

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View entire thread: Aluminum bronze and Copper help request
Posted by Jim on Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:26 AM    Post subject: Re: Aluminum bronze and Copper help request

You've already got a fire - the torch ;-) I know what you're referring to but this is common practice in dentistry
and jewelry making. I've been doing it for over 26 years and have yet to ignite the alcohol. On Fri, 18 Aug 2006
23:45:42 -0400, John <amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote: [quote:00099d54ad]Jim wrote: With pure copper, if you heat
the metal to red, then quench in denatured ethyl alcohol, you will fully anneal while avoiding oxide formation. You
will not need to pickle as the metal will appear clean and yellow. Not sure if this will work for the aluminum bronze
alloy but it wouldn't hurt to try. Probably want to use a neutral or slightly carburizing flame to avoid oxide
formation. James On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:01:38 -0500, "Kyle Mutcher" <kmutcher@mts.net wrote: Hi folks,
I need to anneal some Aluminium Bronze blanks, about 30 mm in diameter and 3-5 mm thick. 1.If I heat them to a cherry
red colour, what kind of pickling solution can I use to get them to come out a nice yellow colour. 2. Is it best to go
from cherry red straight to the pickling solution or should I let the pieces cool first then put them into the pickling
solution? 3. What solution should I use for Copper? I have concentrated Ferric Chloride on hand as well as HCl but I
don't want to experiment with them. I use "Tarn-X" for a pickling solution when I anneal sterling silver and
22K gold, but it doesn't seen to do much for the copper, and I know it wouldn't work for the aluminium bronze. any help
would be appreciated. Thanks, Kyle. You will also most likely have a fire with the alcohol. John[/quote:00099d54ad]

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View entire thread: Surplus Gold Plating Solution, Electrodless
Posted by Clayton Herzog on Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:17 PM    Post subject: Surplus Gold Plating Solution, Electrodless

I have roughly a gallon and a half of Gold-Cyanide electrodless gold plating solution. The material was manufactured by
Shipley Chemical, now a division of Rhom-Haas. The product is "Shipley Gold EL-221." The material is a little
old, but unused. Please contact me if you have an interest in this material. We use to use it for plating electronic
connectors, but it could be used in jewelry making or any number of other uses. I can send photos and MSDS if you are
interested. Regards, Clay herzog

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View entire thread: Buying Diamond Jewelry: Know What To Look For
Posted by Peter W.. Rowe, on Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:15 AM    Post subject: Re: Buying Diamond Jewelry: Know What To Look For

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:25:26 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "tyo" <sulistyopras@gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:29720d75b8]In judging diamond jewelry it is a common occurrence to get a diamonds shape and the cut mixed up. The
cut of a diamond describes the performance of light, dimensions, and finish. Shape is just the outline of the diamond
from a top view. In judging diamond jewelry you must make sure there is a good cut. http://new-exotic-
jewelry.blogspot.com/ [/quote:29720d75b8] First off, welcome to the rec.crafts.jewelry usenet newsgroup. If you were
not already aware of it, understand that this is a moderated group, with some restrictions. Notably, you cannot post
commercial advertisements. Since your blogs don't seem to be promoting any particular commercial site, at least a first
glance, I've approved your post. But please understand that promoting web sites isn't the real function of this group.
Rather than pointing us to your blogs, why not just copy the blog articles to this group, and allow any discussions
thereof to occur here? You'll get more response, I think. For an even more active discussion, one which some people
might feel is so active they don't have time for all the messages every day, explore the Ganoksin.com web site, and the
mail list it hosts, the Orchid list. That list is almost without question the most active jewelry discussion forum on
the net today, and it too, will welcome informative postings or articles especially if you'd like feedback and
discussion from people who also know more than just a little about jewelry. Like this newsgroup, it does not allow
commercial adverrtising or extensive self promotion, but healthy discussion of an article is fine. Also not that this
group does not support postings other than plain ascii text. No HTML postings, no attached graphics. Graphics should be
hosted on the web, and merely the URL included in the newsgroup post, just as you did with your article today. As to
your post itself: Regarding cutting: True enough, suli, but while this is correct, it's not of much use to a reader,
since you don't describe anything about why one cut is good and another not, or what the optical differences are, or the
optical functions of the various parts of a facetted stone. Without that sort of actual information, you're saying nice
things, but things that aren't of all that much use to someone looking for education. I took the liberty of copying to
this reply (which is both in the newsgroup, and in email) selected sections of the rest of that blog article of yours,
with some comments. [quote:29720d75b8]The cut of the diamond has the biggest effect on the sparkle of the diamond.
A diamond that has immaculate color and is very clear can look dull with a poor cut on the stone. [/quote:29720d75b8]
Again, mostly true, though many gemologists will suggest that the color of the stone has the most obvious effect on the
overall look or beauty, since it affects the stone's appearance at a considerable distance. So does cutting, of course.
But the relative importance of each is in some debate depending on who you talk to. Color certainly has a greater
effect on the price than does cutting. [quote:29720d75b8] In judging the value of a diamond the color of the diamond
is a major factor. The diamonds with the least amount of coloring are worth the most. Even a very small amount of color
in the gem can make it so the diamond’s brilliance is diminished. The higher grade the diamond is the more expensive it
will be. [/quote:29720d75b8] Mostly true, though it should be noted that this is true only for stones in the
colorless/white to near white range. Once the stone has enough color for it to be an actually colored diamond, rather
than one that's just not as white, the value goes up. For some colors, it goes up enormously. Even very pale blue or
pink or red tones, when of natural origin in the diamond, will quickly raise the value way past that of even the whitest
stone, and very fine intense yellow and orange colors will also compete very well with the very white stones for price.
And to make your article more useful, you might also wish to discuss the various scales by which diamond color is
stated. The most common is the GIA scale, which places the finest white colors at D in the alphabet, with increasing
yellow as you go down the alphabet. ABC are not used. [quote:29720d75b8] The weight of the carats in the diamond is
important when judging diamond jewelry. The diamond in the jewelry in terms of its weight is measured in carats.
Considering diamonds that are larger are also rarer than smaller diamonds the value rises very much when the weight
increases. True enough. Carats are now a metric measurement, with five carats to the gram.[/quote:29720d75b8]
[quote:29720d75b8]If you are buying a diamond from a wholesaler they must by law tell you the carat weight in the piece
of jewelry. [/quote:29720d75b8] Not in the U.S.A., they don't. They can sell diamond jewelry, whether wholesaler or
retailer (there are no different laws for wholesalers than retailers) without stating the diamond weight, or anything
else about the diamonds for that matter, if they don't wish to. What IS in the law is how accurate any statements made
must be. IF the seller, either wholesaler or retailer, states a weight of an individual stone, or the total weight of a
bunch of stones in a piece of jewelry, the statement's accuracy must be within FTC mandates. I'll give you a practical
example. Take the case of a pawn shop selling estate jewelry. With the stones already set, the seller (the shop) may
not know, or be able to accurately tell, the exact weight of the diamonds. They can estimate it, and the estimate has
to be reasonable, but often they simply won't estimate it at all, if it's too hard to be exact. A wholesaler of
imported jewelry may be in a similar situation, especially with low end jewelry set with lower quality diamonds. Exact
weights may simply not always be provided to the wholesaler from the importer or manufacturer. While one can question
the business wisdom of doing business this way, it is not illegal, so long as nobody then makes inaccurate claims about
the weights of the diamonds. [quote:29720d75b8] In judging diamond jewelry look to see how many flaws are on the
diamond. Flaws, also called inclusions, are rare and are highly valued. How the clarity is graded is based on the
number, size, location, and type of the flaws found within the diamond. Make sure the flaws are picked out as if they
are not the diamond will be much more expensive. [/quote:29720d75b8] Here you obviously were typing too fast, and
didn't proofread your text. Flaws or inclusions are NOT rare or highly valued, in the vast majority of cases. Diamonds
WITHOUT flaws are rare and highly valued, not the other way around, as your posting implies. And your last sentance
makes no sense to me. Did you mean to say they should be pointed out to you so you know they are there? "Picked
out" seems to imply you want them removed. That's generally not possible, though dark spots can be drilled to with
a laser, and bleached. But that isn't the same as removing them. And you then say if the flaws are not picked out, ie
left in place, the diamond will be MORE expensive? I think you've got that backwards. The most expensive diamonds are
those with the least inclusions or flaws. [quote:29720d75b8] Make sure to check the cut, carat weight, color, and flaws
on the diamond in the jewelryto make sure you are getting the best deal. Considering a diamond can be very expensive it
is wise to understand all of these factors or get a professional to judge it for you. [/quote:29720d75b8] True enough.
With any costly purchase, whether it be a car, a home, or a diamond, the more you know about the subject, the more
likely you'll be to get the value you wish for your money and not be surprised later to find you didn't get what you
thought you got in terms of value or quality. [quote:29720d75b8]Also make sure the diamond is certified as the
certification will guarantee its authenticity. [/quote:29720d75b8] Not really true. A certificate is a grading report,
not a guarantee. The labs that provide the certs are providing, for a fee, and impartial and education opinion as to
the quality of the stone, just as an appraisal, when done right, provides an impartial opinion as to the value of an
item. But certs are generally not guarantees. For one thing, there can be reasonable differences of opinion between
labs or graders from time to time, and people can disagree slightly on a color or especially, a clarity grade, which
can have implications to the appraised value. In such cases, the labs are not liable for changes in value. But what
certs do for you is to provide you with an opinion that can be reasonably expected to be an expert opinion, and not
tainted by the desire on the part of the seller to make the stone look better than it is. There are also many honest
and well intentioned jewelry sales people who simply are not experts at diamond grading, or who are, even if somewhat
trained, not good enough at it to provide consistant accurate grades, especially when their commission depends on making
the sale, which provides an incentive to overstate the quality, even if unintentionally. So the cert gives you some
assurance that the quality is what it's represented as, and also frees the seller from having to make the decision or to
convince you he or she is correct in the grade. Note that the certs do not mean you'll get the best price, or even that
the stone is a good one. Only that the grading information provided on the cert is a reasonably impartial one arrived
at by experts according to established grading standards. A cert does not protect you from being overcharged. And the
protections of a certificate only exist if it's from an established impartial gem lab. Usually this means one of the
large national or international labs, like GIA, EGL, AGS, or the like. Small local gem labs may be OK, or may not.
it's harder for a customer to know. And understand that the accuracy standards between the different labs is not the
same. It's fairly accepted common knowledge in the industry that a cert from GIA or AGS is likely to be a bit more
accurate, or more stringent, in grading than one from EGL, which sometimes is more likely to give a borderline stone the
benefit of the doubt and give it a higher grade if the stone is not clearly one or the other. Thus prices for stones
with EGL certs can often be slightly lower, since the grades are not as stringent. it's also important to remember that
many stones are legitimately sold without certs. You pay more, usually a couple hundred dollars, for a diamond with a
cert. There are many jewelers who are or have on staff well trained gemologists who, in combination with the
wholesalers they buy from, have plenty of expertise to accurately represent the quality of a diamond, and if you, the
customer, have educated yourself to the quality aspects, you can be shown the diamond and it's quality features, and
judge for yourself if you like it, and if the price is right for you. While a cert may make this easier, it's not
always essential, especially with stones that are not quite as large as some. And whether or not you have a cert, it's
always better to judge a dimaond by actually looking at it. Don't buy a diamond just because some piece of paper has
numbers you've been told are good. Buy it because you're eye, having looked at a number of diamonds, has decided that
you like this particular stone. The cert should be used to back up your decision, not to make it for you. After you've
bought it, it becomes useful too, in order to help you get accurate insurance coverage, inc onjuction with a properly
written appraisal (which, like the cert, should NOT generally be written by the jeweler selling the stone, if it's to be
the most accurate document possible. Some jewelers supply appraisals that are very professional and well written, but
others do not, and it's difficult for a customer to know the difference. So there's an advantage to an independent
appraisal, just as with the independent grading report (certificate). But in both cases, the added advantage and value
of the independent reports will cost you additional money. cheers Peter Rowe

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View entire thread: [ Classes & Workshops ] CDMA Metalsmithing & Jewelry Arts Sc
Posted by www.CustomDesignMetalArts on Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:28 AM    Post subject: [ Classes & Workshops ] CDMA Metalsmithing & Jewelry Arts Sc

http://www.customdesignmetalarts.com Custom Design Metal Arts Studio: Specializing in Metalsmithing and Jewelry
Instruction. Ocala, Florida.-- Bill Roberts, Owner and Operator of Custom Design Metal Arts, with over 20 years, full
time, experience in decorative metalwork offers: One on One Classes and Workshops. The Shop offers one day, three day
and weekly classes, intensive workshops and demonstrations as well as private tutoring. All levels welcome. Open
year round. Bill is available to teach workshops and classes at others Schools in the United States and abroad. For
Scheduling & Info... please contact: Bill Roberts, Ornamental Metalsmith 3740 NE 40th PL # D Ocala, Florida 34479
Phone (352) 351-5512 Website: http://www.customdesignmetalarts.com ------------------------------------------------
BEGINNING BLACKSMITHING WORKSHOP: No Experience necessary. Just the desire to learn. This class will teach the basics
of blacksmithing. Including... drawing out, upsetting, twisting, bending, fullering, punching, and cutting. It will also
cover forging dynamics, safety and three H's. At the end of this class you will have an understanding and ability to use
these basics. And will have accomplished this by completing three projects. You will make a key fob with leaf, a letter
opener and a J hook. Completing these three projects are the goal.... it's possible to complete more projects depending
on the individual. Date: October 21, 2006. Times: 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Location: 3740 NE 40th PL # D. Ocala, Florida 34479
Cost: $150.00 ------------------------------------------------- INTERMEDIATE BLACKSMITHING WORKSHOP: Requires
knowledge of the basics, and some forging experience. This class takes the basic knowledge and experience to the next
level. The goal is to make either a fireplace set, a candelabra or a similar project. Using all the basic forging
techniques in the beginning class. ------------------------------------------------- ADVANCED BLACKSMITHING WORKSHOP:
Requires the completion of an intermediate class and at least a year forging experience. And an approved design for the
class project that can be completed in a week. This class is structured towards the individuals needs and goals.
------------------------------------------------- [quote:4a1cb74f73]From design inspiration to finished artwork:
http://www.customdesignmetalarts.com/elevator.0.html[/quote:4a1cb74f73]
------------------------------------------------- JEWELRY CLASSES & WORKSHOPS: Other Classes: -- In Forged,
Fabricated and Cast jewelry, -- Lost wax casting, -- Wax Design and Carving, -- Mold making, among others.
------------------------------------------------- "The only thing that I enjoy as much as using these
processes....is teaching them to others." Bill Roberts.

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View entire thread: [ Classes & Workshops ] CDMA Metalsmithing & Jewelry Arts Sc
Posted by www.CustomDesignMetalArts on Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:00 AM    Post subject: [ Classes & Workshops ] CDMA Metalsmithing & Jewelry Arts Sc

http://www.customdesignmetalarts.com Custom Design Metal Arts Studio: Specializing in Metalsmithing and Jewelry
Instruction. Ocala, Florida.-- Bill Roberts, Owner and Operator of Custom Design Metal Arts, with over 20 years, full
time, experience in decorative metalwork offers: One on One Classes and Workshops. The Shop offers one day, three day
and weekly classes, intensive workshops and demonstrations as well as private tutoring. All levels welcome. Open
year round. Bill is available to teach workshops and classes at others Schools in the United States and abroad. For
Scheduling & Info... please contact: Bill Roberts, Ornamental Metalsmith Custom Design Metal Arts 3740 NE 40th PL #
D Ocala, Florida 34479 Phone (352) 351-5512 Website: http://www.customdesignmetalarts.com
------------------------------------------------ BEGINNING BLACKSMITHING WORKSHOP: No Experience necessary. Just the
desire to learn. This class will teach the basics of blacksmithing. Including... drawing out, upsetting, twisting,
bending, fullering, punching, and cutting. It will also cover forging dynamics, safety and three H's. At the end of this
class you will have an understanding and ability to use these basics. And will have accomplished this by completing
three projects. You will make a key fob with leaf, a letter opener and a J hook. Completing these three projects are the
goal.... it's possible to complete more projects depending on the individual. Date: October 21, 2006. Times: 9 a.m. to 6
p.m. (with a break for lunch) Location: 3740 NE 40th PL # D. Ocala, Florida 34479 Cost: $150.00
------------------------------------------------- INTERMEDIATE BLACKSMITHING WORKSHOP: Requires knowledge of the basics,
and some forging experience. This class takes the basic knowledge and experience to the next level. The goal is to make
either a fireplace set, a candelabra or a similar project. Using all the basic forging techniques in the beginning
class. ------------------------------------------------- ADVANCED BLACKSMITHING WORKSHOP: Requires the completion of
an intermediate class and at least a year forging experience. And an approved design for the class project that can be
completed in a week. This class is structured towards the individuals needs and goals.
------------------------------------------------- [quote:8e8ac81395]From design inspiration to finished artwork:
http://www.customdesignmetalarts.com/elevator.0.html[/quote:8e8ac81395]
------------------------------------------------- JEWELRY CLASSES & WORKSHOPS: Other Classes: -- In Forged,
Fabricated and Cast jewelry, -- Lost wax casting, -- Wax Design and Carving, -- Mold making, among others.
------------------------------------------------- "The only thing that I enjoy as much as using these
processes....is teaching them to others." Bill Roberts.

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View entire thread: Gold soldering question...
Posted by Al A. on Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:37 AM    Post subject: Gold soldering question...

Hi All, I am going to be making a couple of gold rings, simple wedding band type things. These are going to be made
in 14K white gold. I'm hoping for just a bit of guidance. I am at best a hobbiest at this sort of thing and have done
lots of soldering on silver, both in jewelry making and for industrial applications where I work. I have never soldered
gold before, and am wondering just how different it is in comparison to silver. I have read plenty of things that
indicate that it is actually somewhat easier than silver due to the difference in how it conducts heat, but the
intimidation factor is still there. Do I use the same flux as you would use for silver? I usually use Handi-Flux type
stuff for silver, and have a Smith air/acetylene torch as well as a Smith "Little Torch" in oxy/propane.
Any suggestion would be most appreciated. Thanks, AL A.

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View entire thread: Gold soldering question...
Posted by Sarit Wolfus on Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:07 AM    Post subject: Re: Gold soldering question...

A similar question was asked 3 months ago. Here is the link to the thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.jewelry/browse_thread/thread/a28efdfdd4f78b35/db58f58bf3dca1a6 Sarit. http://
sarit-jewelry.com Al A. wrote: [quote:6238b197e5]Hi All, I am going to be making a couple of gold rings, simple
wedding band type things. These are going to be made in 14K white gold. I'm hoping for just a bit of guidance. I am at
best a hobbiest at this sort of thing and have done lots of soldering on silver, both in jewelry making and for
industrial applications where I work. I have never soldered gold before, and am wondering just how different it is in
comparison to silver. I have read plenty of things that indicate that it is actually somewhat easier than silver due to
the difference in how it conducts heat, but the intimidation factor is still there. Do I use the same flux as you would
use for silver? I usually use Handi-Flux type stuff for silver, and have a Smith air/acetylene torch as well as a Smith
"Little Torch" in oxy/propane. Any suggestion would be most appreciated. Thanks, AL A. [/quote:6238b197e5]
-- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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View entire thread: Gold soldering question...
Posted by lemel_man on Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:08 AM    Post subject: Re: Gold soldering question...

Al A. wrote: [quote:36eb6ba1a3]Hi All, I am going to be making a couple of gold rings, simple wedding band type things.
These are going to be made in 14K white gold. I'm hoping for just a bit of guidance. I am at best a hobbiest at this
sort of thing and have done lots of soldering on silver, both in jewelry making and for industrial applications where I
work. I have never soldered gold before, and am wondering just how different it is in comparison to silver. I have read
plenty of things that indicate that it is actually somewhat easier than silver due to the difference in how it conducts
heat, but the intimidation factor is still there. Do I use the same flux as you would use for silver? I usually use
Handi-Flux type stuff for silver, and have a Smith air/acetylene torch as well as a Smith "Little Torch" in
oxy/propane. Any suggestion would be most appreciated. Thanks, AL A. What you read is quite right; gold is slightly
easier to solder than[/quote:36eb6ba1a3] silver. Prepare the joint in the same way and use the same flux. In fact, do
everything the same, except you use gold solder instead of silver. I'd use the oxy/propane torch in preference. --
Regards, Gary Wooding (To reply by email, change feet to foot in my address) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from
http://www.teranews.com

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View entire thread: Gold soldering question...
Posted by Castle Jewellers on Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:30 PM    Post subject: Re: Gold soldering question...

What a mine field? Modern white gold is not pure white as most of the Nickel has been removed from the alloy. This is
my pet hate, as older metal and solder was more white. All white gold now has a yellow shade to it and to make it white
is Rhodium Plated, which in time wears off. I make my own white gold to the old recipe but i casnnot perfect the 18ct
white due to the higher gold content. If you want to start on gold i would try yellow gold first. Dave "Al
A." <alanganes@comcast.net> wrote in message news:lgqkf29t4bn4adng9iie51m52j1ofhui4e@4ax.com...
[quote:b78372e3ec]Hi All, I am going to be making a couple of gold rings, simple wedding band type things. These are
going to be made in 14K white gold. I'm hoping for just a bit of guidance. I am at best a hobbiest at this sort of thing
and have done lots of soldering on silver, both in jewelry making and for industrial applications where I work. I have
never soldered gold before, and am wondering just how different it is in comparison to silver. I have read plenty of
things that indicate that it is actually somewhat easier than silver due to the difference in how it conducts heat, but
the intimidation factor is still there. Do I use the same flux as you would use for silver? I usually use Handi-Flux
type stuff for silver, and have a Smith air/acetylene torch as well as a Smith "Little Torch" in oxy/propane.
Any suggestion would be most appreciated. Thanks, AL A. [/quote:b78372e3ec] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from
http://www.teranews.com

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View entire thread: Ring stretching tool
Posted by Peter W.. Rowe, on Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:41 AM    Post subject: Re: Ring stretching tool

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:35:26 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry lemel_man <binswood@bigfeet.com> wrote:
[quote:cf56941856]Richie wrote: I've got a 12" long tapered tool made of steel that is marked in ring sizes from A
to Z, that my dad used for stretching rings. Any idea what it might be called in the jewelry trade in the UK? It looks
as if it might have been made to fit/slot into some holder. It will be either UK or European make I think. TIA. Its
called a triblet. They come in various profiles, but the most common is round, like yours. [/quote:cf56941856] And in
the U.S., we call them "ring mandrels", or just mandrels, if they happen to be for shaping things other than
just rings, like bezels or the like (in which case they might also be called bezel mandrels). They're used for more
than just stretching rings. Measuring the size for one, and then for shaping and forming rings while making them as
well, or reshaping them at some later time while repairing or the like. All in all, a very basic tool which you'll
find, in one form or another, on almost any jewelers workbench. In the U.S., the sizes will be marked in U.S. ring
sizes, commonly 1 to 13 or 1 to 15-16, depending on the maker of the tool. In other parts of the world, several other
sizing standards are also used, so mandrels may be marked in those measuring systems as well, or left unmarked when
intended just for forming and shaping. Peter

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View entire thread: I need your help in pricing
Posted by Peter W.. Rowe, on Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:59 AM    Post subject: Re: I need your help in pricing

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:39:06 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "luvbeaddesign" <luvbeaddesign@yahoo.com>
wrote: [quote:6b1810a821]I need help with this as well. I guess it depends on your expertise, etc. I'm new so what I
do is: see what the material costs, add another 10-15%, and add another $5 if I really really like it. :) I put my
jewelry up at luvbeaddesign.etsy.com, but a lot people told me that I undercharge after they bought items. So this might
not be the best pricing. HTH! [/quote:6b1810a821] Putting a markup of only ten or fifteen percent on your material
costs, with nothing else for overhead or labor or profit, is a fast track to loosing money. The usual business model
suggests doubling your costs for materials at a minimum. Many businesses triple the materials costs. And then add an
overhead estimated percentage, for all the intangible and operating costs (electricity, utilities, consumable shop
supplies, and all the rest). And then a profit margin is added on top. If you're unsure about charging this much to
begin with, at the very least, a bare minimum, would be at least charging double your known materials costs. Any less
and the chances of your actually making anything but a consistant loss, is slim indeed. Remember that while doubling
your materials may seem high to a beginner, there are also all the percentages of your materials that are wasted or
ruined, the pieces you make but never quite sell, the mistakes and errors that never make it to finished work, and all
the time you spend making the stuff. You have to buy your materials before you can make anything. That's an
investment. You need to charge enough for the work so the investment pays, but it's not like a mutual fund with totally
known costs. Materials don't all get used as intended, the sales aren't guaranteed, and there are things costing you
money to make the work, that weren't direct materials costs. You'd find if you actually write down all the costs of a
batch of finished products, not just one item, that your costs are higher than you realize And the other thing to keep
in mind is that too low a price will actually hurt sales. Charge a fair price. Don't let your insecurities batter you
into charging a lower price because you're not sure of yourself. Remember that people value an item according to what
they paid. Sometimes, if it's too cheap, not only might they pass it up for fear something is wrong with it, but if
they buy it, they'll never consider themselves lucky for paying much less than they should have. Instead, the value the
item according to what they actually paid, which can lead to some fine work being greatly undervalued by it's owner.
cheers Peter

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Posted by mbstevens on Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:16 AM    Post subject: Re: Soldering information

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:22:37 +0000, pasternak Findings - Jewelry findings wrote: [quote:8eb62336a4]Hi, Many goldsmith
and jewelry designers frequently ask us about the soldering conduction, different types of solder and about cleaning
their jewelry after soldering. ....... Here are some points about soldering that I hope will assist you:
................ We will be happy to hear more ideas, tips, questions and comments. [/quote:8eb62336a4] The explanation
did not cover making absolutely sure that no oil or other contaminant that stops flow is on either the workpiece or
solder. Both chemical and mechanical methods are commonly used.

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Posted by Carl 1 Lucky Texan on Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:20 AM    Post subject: Re: New Newsgroup

Frosty wrote: [quote:19c86180e7]On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:09 GMT, an entity identified as "Peter W..
Rowe," <rec.crafts.jewelry@earthlink.net> proudly proclaimed: On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:23:44 -0700, in
rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty clause39@yahoo.com> wrote: I sent a "control post" as one must to create a
newsgroup. While in theory, this is all that's needed to create an Alt newsgroup, now your task is to convince news
administrators to carry it on their servers. That's the hard part. You may need to send that control message several
times. And it will help (perhaps a lot, from what I've read) to also propose/defend/justify the proposed new group on
alt.config (I think that's the one. do some homework to be sure...) Also, if you can find public news servers (not
just your own, if you have one) who have picked it up, be sure messages to that group get posted there. it will help in
convincing other news admins that there is indeed traffic, and therefor some reason to get off their butts and add the
group. Although no formal vote or similar structured creation process is needed in the Alt heirarchy, you still have to
jump through the human loops of getting news admins, often overworked and sometimes underskilled people, to get on
board. It's not as automatic as one might wish. You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related
groups, such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry, alt.diamonds and alt.diamonds.marketplace, alt.folklore.gemstones, free.uk.jewelry,
and perhaps others I'm not aware of, for which jewelry related postings are on topic. And of course, though it's not
jewelry specific, there's also both the big eight version and the alt version of rec.crafts.metalworking, one of the
busier and more useful newsgroups out there (well worth your time, folks, if you've not found it before. Someone even
set up a web site for it. Lots of home shop machinists, but also many more skill sets to be found there...) peter I
understand what you're saying, but actually humans really are not needed to create an alt group. I've created hundreds
of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even some new hierarchies. Alt.config is a joke. Those idiots on there play
god. They can't even rm a newsgroup and make it stick. BTW, my nntp server probably won't pick up the new group without
me requesting it, but I know I can create ng's from it. My latest was alt.politics.libertarian.free-state-project and
this is a hierarchy I recently created ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/firesign/ You can dig around in here to see
who made which groups when. ftp://ftp.isc.org/ Here's what it says about the creation of this newsgroup: From
tale@uunet.uu.net Tue Mar 15 11:20:53 1994 Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry Path:
uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:31:34 GMT Message-ID: <CMppsn.JGw@uunet.uu.net
Lines: 12 Xref: uunet control:880773 rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation
by 219:21 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar 1994. For your newsgroups file: rec.crafts.jewelry All
aspects of jewelry making and lapidary work. The charter, culled from the call for votes: This would be an unmoderated
newsgroup for the discussion of gems, gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops, displays,
sources for materials, etc.). This newsgroup will be gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at
'jewelry@mishima.mn.org'. From tale@uunet.uu.net Fri Aug 19 13:23:12 1994 Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry Path: uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup
rec.crafts.jewelry Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994
17:23:34 GMT Message-ID: <CusLnB.2vq@uunet.uu.net Lines: 12 Xref: uunet control:1137772 rec.crafts.jewelry is an
unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 219:21 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar 1994.
For your newsgroups file: rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making and lapidary work. The charter, culled
from the call for votes: This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of gems, gemcutting, jewelry,
jewelry making and related topics (workshops, displays, sources for materials, etc.). This newsgroup will be gatewayed
to the mailing list 'jewelry' at 'jewelry@mishima.mn.org'. From bert@rsvl.unisys.com Tue Jun 27 02:13:14 1995 Control:
newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry Path:
uunet!tcsi.tcs.com!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!bbnews!rsvl_ns!ernie!bert From:
bert@rsvl.unisys.com (Bert Hyman) Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y Message-ID: <DAsJtC.M72@rsvl.unisys.com
Approved: news@unisys.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:41:36 GMT Distribution: unisys Organization: Unisys Lines: 3 Xref:
uunet control:2197207 [/quote:19c86180e7] So, we missed out 12th anniv. last March 15th? DANG! Carl -- to reply,
change ( .not) to ( .net)

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Posted by Abrasha on Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:09 AM    Post subject: Re: New Newsgroup

Frosty wrote: [quote:dc622ed0c3]On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:09 GMT, an entity identified as "Peter W..
Rowe," <rec.crafts.jewelry@earthlink.net> proudly proclaimed: On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:23:44 -0700, in
rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty clause39@yahoo.com> wrote: I sent a "control post" as one must to create a
newsgroup. While in theory, this is all that's needed to create an Alt newsgroup, now your task is to convince news
administrators to carry it on their servers. That's the hard part. You may need to send that control message several
times. And it will help (perhaps a lot, from what I've read) to also propose/defend/justify the proposed new group on
alt.config (I think that's the one. do some homework to be sure...) Also, if you can find public news servers (not
just your own, if you have one) who have picked it up, be sure messages to that group get posted there. it will help in
convincing other news admins that there is indeed traffic, and therefor some reason to get off their butts and add the
group. Although no formal vote or similar structured creation process is needed in the Alt heirarchy, you still have to
jump through the human loops of getting news admins, often overworked and sometimes underskilled people, to get on
board. It's not as automatic as one might wish. You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related
groups, such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry, alt.diamonds and alt.diamonds.marketplace, alt.folklore.gemstones, free.uk.jewelry,
and perhaps others I'm not aware of, for which jewelry related postings are on topic. And of course, though it's not
jewelry specific, there's also both the big eight version and the alt version of rec.crafts.metalworking, one of the
busier and more useful newsgroups out there (well worth your time, folks, if you've not found it before. Someone even
set up a web site for it. Lots of home shop machinists, but also many more skill sets to be found there...) peter I
understand what you're saying, but actually humans really are not needed to create an alt group. I've created hundreds
of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even some new hierarchies. Alt.config is a joke. Those idiots on there play
god. They can't even rm a newsgroup and make it stick. BTW, my nntp server probably won't pick up the new group without
me requesting it, but I know I can create ng's from it. My latest was alt.politics.libertarian.free-state-project and
this is a hierarchy I recently created ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/firesign/ You can dig around in here to see
who made which groups when. ftp://ftp.isc.org/ Here's what it says about the creation of this newsgroup: From
tale@uunet.uu.net Tue Mar 15 11:20:53 1994 Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry Path:
uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:31:34 GMT Message-ID: <CMppsn.JGw@uunet.uu.net
Lines: 12 rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 219:21 as reported in
news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar 1994. For your newsgroups file: rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making
and lapidary work. The charter, culled from the call for votes: This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the
discussion of gems, gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops, displays, sources for materials,
etc.). This newsgroup will be gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at 'jewelry@mishima.mn.org'. From
tale@uunet.uu.net Fri Aug 19 13:23:12 1994 Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry Path:
uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:23:34 GMT Message-ID: <CusLnB.2vq@uunet.uu.net
Lines: 12 rec.crafts.jewelry is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 219:21 as reported in
news.announce.newgroups on 9 Mar 1994. For your newsgroups file: rec.crafts.jewelry All aspects of jewelry making
and lapidary work. The charter, culled from the call for votes: This would be an unmoderated newsgroup for the
discussion of gems, gemcutting, jewelry, jewelry making and related topics (workshops, displays, sources for materials,
etc.). This newsgroup will be gatewayed to the mailing list 'jewelry' at 'jewelry@mishima.mn.org'. From
bert@rsvl.unisys.com Tue Jun 27 02:13:14 1995 Control: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Path: uunet!tcsi.tcs.com!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!bbnews!rsvl_ns!ernie!bert
From: bert@rsvl.unisys.com (Bert Hyman) Subject: newgroup rec.crafts.jewelry y Message-ID:
<DAsJtC.M72@rsvl.unisys.com Approved: news@unisys.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:41:36 GMT Distribution: unisys
Organization: Unisys Lines: 3 [/quote:dc622ed0c3] Wow, What a post 161KB, the largest post in the history of this
newsgoup. Congratulations! "I've created hundreds of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even some new
hierarchies. Alt.config is a joke. ..." Real bullshit; No debate. I rest my case. -- Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

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Posted by Abrasha on Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:15 AM    Post subject: Re: Pipe tamper

Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote: [quote:729de93cda]Norm Dresner wrote: Telling a (mathematical) physicist that he's made a
mistake in the properties of solids is something to be done with caution. [/quote:729de93cda] Oh please, blow it out
your ear! [quote:729de93cda] From the Handbook of Physics and Chemistry, 83rd Edition, on pages 12-45ff there's a table
of the Electrical Resistivity of Pure Metals. [/quote:729de93cda] Blah, blah, blah, [quote:729de93cda] At low
temperatures, Silver is indeed more conductive than Gold. But the conductivities get closer together as the temperature
increases. [/quote:729de93cda] You want tables, I'll give you tables:
http://www.efunda.com/materials/elements/TC_Table.cfm?Element_ID=Ag
http://www.efunda.com/materials/elements/TC_Table.cfm?Element_ID=Cu
http://www.efunda.com/materials/elements/TC_Table.cfm?Element_ID=Au For silver, copper and gold respectively. At every
temperature (from 3 degrees K to 1200 degree K) Silver is 1, copper is 2 and gold is 3. [quote:729de93cda]Since we're
interested in the high-temperature region for jewelry manufacture, I suspect that the differences aren't as great as you
suggest. [/quote:729de93cda] Oh yes they are. [quote:729de93cda] Also, interestingly, on p12-221, there's a table of
the thermal conductivity of Metals vs. temperature. Both are decreasing as a function of increasing temperature. Up to
1200K (~700C), [/quote:729de93cda] Actually 1200 degrees K is about 926.85 °C, ... some mathematician you are. Oh BTW,
this is a temperature well below temperatures at which both silver and gold alloys are soldered. 1200 degrees K
(1700.33 degrees F) is the temperature at which platinum is welded. So not of concern here. [quote:729de93cda]Silver
is still more conductive than Gold, but the slope of the Silver curve is steeper than that of Gold so they may cross at
some higher temperature. [/quote:729de93cda] "may" being the operative word here. And not at all of concern
in the process of jewelry making. Or, IOW, show me. [quote:729de93cda] So yes, you're right but I'm not totally wrong
either, although in the regime of familiar temperatures Silver and Copper do beat Gold. [/quote:729de93cda] Face it pal,
you are wrong. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com

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Posted by Peter W.. Rowe, on Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:28 AM    Post subject: Re: New Newsgroup

On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:14:56 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty <clause39@yahoo.com> wrote: [quote:19c1c93e4f]On
or about Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:09:00 GMT, an entity identified as Abrasha <abrasha@abrasha.com> proudly proclaimed:
Frosty wrote: snip Wow, What a post 161KB, the largest post in the history of this newsgoup. Congratulations! uh...
"I've created hundreds of newsgroups, moderated, unmoderated, and even some new hierarchies. Alt.config is a joke.
..." Real bullshit; No debate. I rest my case. I *think* I've just been flamed. But really you and Al need to
lighten up a bit! [/quote:19c1c93e4f] Well, you're stating your post was allowable since I approved it. That's not
quite the same as saying I approved OF it. Part of the reason the group does not allow binary attachments, despite the
fact that photos might often be quite useful in this group, is simply to keep message size down. Your post blew that
concept right out the window. That brings up questions of nettiquette, which the charter does allow me to consider in
approving a post. But I'm a nice guy, and perhaps against my better judgement, let it go. Still wondering why you
didn't trim off the last 90 percent of the post, which pretty much was many many duplicate copies of pretty much the
same data. Not much new to learn in all those repeates of Tale's announcment... [quote:19c1c93e4f]First of all,
there's no requirement you read all 4000+ lines in my post, nor that you download every post in whichever groups you've
subscribed to. [/quote:19c1c93e4f] True, but in this moderated group, people expect posts to be at least mostly on
topic, and usually therefor worth reading. One either downloads the post or not. fortunately, with today's disc drive
sizes, and high speed connections, most users are not so inconvenienced. Still, some consider such a post rude, and
too many of them will have an impact on server retention times for posts to the group. At least that's the theory...
Possibly outdated by now... [quote:19c1c93e4f]Of course seein' as how you both are the same person I can understand why
your views are so alike. :-) [/quote:19c1c93e4f] Can't understand what in heavens would make you think that. Al and
Abrasha are not only totally different people (trust me on this, or look in the google archives to find spots where
they've argued with each other here...) but are often at rather differing poles of an issue. Here, though, the issue
is pretty clear to all... [quote:19c1c93e4f](So how is the weather in Vermont these days? Humid?) Oh and BTW, have
you noticed that this is a moderated ng? Our moderator approved my postings. Bitch at him. [/quote:19c1c93e4f] No don't.
Won't help. I moderate following the group charter. That prohibits all sorts of things, but doesn't specifically limit
message length. So the only thing I could do was decide the message was off topic. Which perhaps I should have done,
since this group is about jewelry making issues, not newsgroup creation issues. But nostalgia got to me... :-)
[quote:19c1c93e4f]If my posts are too long for your crap-ass dalaup or DSL connection, why don'tcha spring for cable?
FYI, this was a flame. [/quote:19c1c93e4f] No it wasn't. not in my opinion, which you've so nicely defended already.
You weren't flamed so much as your posting was criticized. Arguing issues is not flaming. Believe, me, if Abrasha
want's to flame you, (and if I allowed it), your monitor would be on fire. (grin) How 'bout we just all agree to
leave the whole discussion of new newsgroup creation, or the history of the creation of this one, to rest now, OK?
It's not really what this group is about. [quote:19c1c93e4f] Frosty [/quote:19c1c93e4f] Peter

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Posted by RCG.FAQ.BOT on Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:52 AM    Post subject: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs

CHARTER for REC.CRAFTS.GLASS PREAMBLE: The newsgroup rec.crafts.glass was created primarily for the purpose of
discussion related to working with glass. In order to improve the mechanism whereby we may do so without undue
distraction, we, the netizens of rec.crafts.glass, do hereby ratify the amendments incorporated into this charter.
SCOPE: The following topics, for example, clearly fall within the scope of our stated purpose: - the working
of glass in any manner including stained glass glass-blowing neon and
other luminous tube casting kiln forming and fusing
scientific/laboratory flame-work and bead making jewelry making - equipment and
tools - techniques - materials - safety - business issues - announcements of
conferences, classes, and shows All discussions will be held in English. Posting in other languages is
allowed provided an English translation is included. Commercial announcements(*) will be permitted as long as they
are clearly marked as such in the subject by the use of "FS:" "Ad:" or similar indication. Such
announcements must address events, goods, or services specifically useful in one or more of the pursuits listed above.
(*)An announcement is defined as a post regarding a single event, or change. It does not include ongoing advertising.
DISCOURAGED Flame wars or personal attacks. Posting articles in HTML. Excessively long signatures, i.e.,
longer than 4 lines, per common usenet netiquette. PROHIBITED Binary content. (Instead, posts should contain links
to relevant binary content) Articles cross-posted to a non-relevant group or to more than three groups total.
Articles which contain less than 10% original content. Posts which consist primarily of a signature file.
Announcements for events, or advertisements for services or goods which have no relevance to the SCOPE. Articles of
a prurient or obscene nature. Retromoderation in excess of usenet convention is allowed only to enforce the
provisions of this section. FAQs FAQ articles will be maintained on two unrelated web servers. The URLs of the
topmost FAQ page will be posted to the group twice a month along with this charter.
------------------------------------------------------- FAQs for this group can be found at the following sites:
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Posted by RCG.FAQ.BOT on Mon May 01, 2006 6:10 AM    Post subject: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs

CHARTER for REC.CRAFTS.GLASS PREAMBLE: The newsgroup rec.crafts.glass was created primarily for the purpose of
discussion related to working with glass. In order to improve the mechanism whereby we may do so without undue
distraction, we, the netizens of rec.crafts.glass, do hereby ratify the amendments incorporated into this charter.
SCOPE: The following topics, for example, clearly fall within the scope of our stated purpose: - the working
of glass in any manner including stained glass glass-blowing neon and
other luminous tube casting kiln forming and fusing
scientific/laboratory flame-work and bead making jewelry making - equipment and
tools - techniques - materials - safety - business issues - announcements of
conferences, classes, and shows All discussions will be held in English. Posting in other languages is
allowed provided an English translation is included. Commercial announcements(*) will be permitted as long as they
are clearly marked as such in the subject by the use of "FS:" "Ad:" or similar indication. Such
announcements must address events, goods, or services specifically useful in one or more of the pursuits listed above.
(*)An announcement is defined as a post regarding a single event, or change. It does not include ongoing advertising.
DISCOURAGED Flame wars or personal attacks. Posting articles in HTML. Excessively long signatures, i.e.,
longer than 4 lines, per common usenet netiquette. PROHIBITED Binary content. (Instead, posts should contain links
to relevant binary content) Articles cross-posted to a non-relevant group or to more than three groups total.
Articles which contain less than 10% original content. Posts which consist primarily of a signature file.
Announcements for events, or advertisements for services or goods which have no relevance to the SCOPE. Articles of
a prurient or obscene nature. Retromoderation in excess of usenet convention is allowed only to enforce the
provisions of this section. FAQs FAQ articles will be maintained on two unrelated web servers. The URLs of the
topmost FAQ page will be posted to the group twice a month along with this charter.
------------------------------------------------------- FAQs for this group can be found at the following sites:
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Posted by RCG.FAQ.BOT on Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:20 AM    Post subject: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs

CHARTER for REC.CRAFTS.GLASS PREAMBLE: The newsgroup rec.crafts.glass was created primarily for the purpose of
discussion related to working with glass. In order to improve the mechanism whereby we may do so without undue
distraction, we, the netizens of rec.crafts.glass, do hereby ratify the amendments incorporated into this charter.
SCOPE: The following topics, for example, clearly fall within the scope of our stated purpose: - the working
of glass in any manner including stained glass glass-blowing neon and
other luminous tube casting kiln forming and fusing
scientific/laboratory flame-work and bead making jewelry making - equipment and
tools - techniques - materials - safety - business issues - announcements of
conferences, classes, and shows All discussions will be held in English. Posting in other languages is
allowed provided an English translation is included. Commercial announcements(*) will be permitted as long as they
are clearly marked as such in the subject by the use of "FS:" "Ad:" or similar indication. Such
announcements must address events, goods, or services specifically useful in one or more of the pursuits listed above.
(*)An announcement is defined as a post regarding a single event, or change. It does not include ongoing advertising.
DISCOURAGED Flame wars or personal attacks. Posting articles in HTML. Excessively long signatures, i.e.,
longer than 4 lines, per common usenet netiquette. PROHIBITED Binary content. (Instead, posts should contain links
to relevant binary content) Articles cross-posted to a non-relevant group or to more than three groups total.
Articles which contain less than 10% original content. Posts which consist primarily of a signature file.
Announcements for events, or advertisements for services or goods which have no relevance to the SCOPE. Articles of
a prurient or obscene nature. Retromoderation in excess of usenet convention is allowed only to enforce the
provisions of this section. FAQs FAQ articles will be maintained on two unrelated web servers. The URLs of the
topmost FAQ page will be posted to the group twice a month along with this charter.
------------------------------------------------------- FAQs for this group can be found at the following sites:
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Posted by RCG.FAQ.BOT on Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:20 AM    Post subject: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs

CHARTER for REC.CRAFTS.GLASS PREAMBLE: The newsgroup rec.crafts.glass was created primarily for the purpose of
discussion related to working with glass. In order to improve the mechanism whereby we may do so without undue
distraction, we, the netizens of rec.crafts.glass, do hereby ratify the amendments incorporated into this charter.
SCOPE: The following topics, for example, clearly fall within the scope of our stated purpose: - the working
of glass in any manner including stained glass glass-blowing neon and
other luminous tube casting kiln forming and fusing
scientific/laboratory flame-work and bead making jewelry making - equipment and
tools - techniques - materials - safety - business issues - announcements of
conferences, classes, and shows All discussions will be held in English. Posting in other languages is
allowed provided an English translation is included. Commercial announcements(*) will be permitted as long as they
are clearly marked as such in the subject by the use of "FS:" "Ad:" or similar indication. Such
announcements must address events, goods, or services specifically useful in one or more of the pursuits listed above.
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View entire thread: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs
Posted by RCG.FAQ.BOT on Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:20 AM    Post subject: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs

CHARTER for REC.CRAFTS.GLASS PREAMBLE: The newsgroup rec.crafts.glass was created primarily for the purpose of
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Posted by RCG.FAQ.BOT on Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:20 AM    Post subject: Charter & (pointer to) FAQs

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View entire thread: [Ganoksin] [Issue #156] Tips From The Jeweler's Bench
Posted by Ganoksin on Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:52 AM    Post subject: [Ganoksin] [Issue #156] Tips From The Jeweler's Bench

The Ganoksin Project S i n c e 1 9 9 6 Jewelry Manufacturing Methods and Techniques http://www.ganoksin.com
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Procedures, Plunkett Fold 4. Tube Box Clasp With Double Tongue 5. Curve Ahead - Using Coils To Bend Tubing 6.
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Wojtkielo Snyder It's no secret that palladium has captured the attention of the industry. In 2005, purchase of
palladium for jewelry use worldwide shot up by 54 percent, according to Johnson Matthey's Platinum 2006, and this past
year has seen a proliferation of articles and seminars about the platinum group metal -- specifically 950 palladium --
as well as the formation of a new industry group, Palladium Alliance International. Yet with all of that interest has
also come questions -- about how best to work with the metal, how to market and sell it, and what to expect in the
future: Is palladium really here to stay? To offer insights into those issues, MJSA invited several industry experts to
share their thoughts on what manufacturers can expect when working with palladium.... Complete Story:
http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/palladium-qa.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Karat Kings - Metals Suppliers Answer
Common FAQs By Tina Wojtkielo Snyder Behold the metals supplier, lord of all things shiny. He fills your crucible with
casting grain and makes sure you're always one sheet ahead of the game. But perhaps more important than his ability to
make metal magically appear at your door in 24 hours is his expert advice when your solder won't flow, your castings are
porous, or you're just about ready to turn off your torch-for good. We spoke with a number of metals suppliers to find
out what their customers commonly want to know. From metalworking problems that constantly reappear to recent concerns
about new alloys hitting the market, they shared with us some jewels of wisdom.... Complete Story:
http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/karat-kings.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Fold-Forming: Rolled Fold Procedures,
Plunkett Fold By Charles Lewton-Brain One of the most intriguing, and fastest ways to make fold-forms are in the Rolled
fold part of the system. Rolled folds use the special, even pressure of the rolling mill to work the metal. They are
either a package folded up and put through the mill like a Heistad Cup or are set up so that one side of the fold has
more layers than the other when it is put through the mill. These travel further than the side with less layers when
rolled, and, restrained by them, the whole fold curves as a result. This page describes the steps to making a Plunkett
fold. The Good fold is derived from a Plunkett fold. These kinds of folds work well when forged as well as in the
mill.... Complete Story: http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/plunkett-fold.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Tube Box Clasp With Double Tongue By Eva
Martin This project is a slight variation on the standard box clasp, the clasp outlined here uses two tongues rather
than one. This means that the clasp is much more secure, so there's no need for the 'figure of 8' safety mechanism which
can sometimes spoil the clean lines of a piece. I learnt to make this clasp whilst at North Bennet Street School in
Boston. The project shown here uses round tube with an inside diameter of 5mm to house the clasp mechanism. Of course
the shape of the clasp's housing can be changed to suit the bracelet or necklace design. However using tubing with an
inside diameter anything smaller than 5mm would prove to be tricky, since there may not be room for a double tongue.....
Complete Story: http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/box-clasp.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Curve Ahead - Using Coils To Bend Tubing
By Jurgen J. Maerz Many tools sold in model/hobby stores can be used for jewelry making. During a recent visit to a
hobby shop, I found these tube bending coils, which model makers use to build models that require bent tubing. Jewelry
makers will find these coils handy when bending tubing for projects.... Complete Story:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. The Hole Story - Drilling Tips and
Techniques By Charles Lewton-Brain We all drill, all the time. We take drills and what they do for granted, but
reviewing the obvious doesn't hurt -- and there may be a nugget of new information that is brought to light....
Complete Story: http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nenam/drilling-tips.htm
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View entire thread: Metal Web News - Information for Metalworkers
Posted by William Gray on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:18 AM    Post subject: Metal Web News - Information for Metalworkers

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding, forge
and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those needing
to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of metalworkers. Just
send your text and graphics and they will be added so our worldwide readers can view your work. METAL WEB NEWS William
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View entire thread: Metal Web News - Information for Metalworkers
Posted by William Gray on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:16 AM    Post subject: Metal Web News - Information for Metalworkers

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding, forge
and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those needing
to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of metalworkers. Just
send your text and graphics and they will be added so our worldwide readers can view your work. METAL WEB NEWS William
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View entire thread: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News
Posted by William Gray on Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:49 PM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding,
forge and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. We are always interested in posting projects of metalworkers.
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Posted by William Gray on Thu May 11, 2006 9:40 PM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding,
forge and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those
needing to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of
metalworkers. Just send your text and graphics and they will be added so our worldwide readers can view your work.
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View entire thread: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News
Posted by William Gray on Sun May 14, 2006 11:44 PM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding,
forge and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those
needing to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of
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Posted by William Gray on Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:50 PM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding,
forge and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those
needing to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of
metalworkers. Just send your text and graphics and they will be added so our worldwide readers can view your work.
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Posted by William Gray on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:12 AM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding, forge
and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those needing
to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of metalworkers. Just
send your text and graphics and they will be added so our worldwide readers can view your work. METAL WEB NEWS William
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Posted by William Gray on Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:35 PM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding,
forge and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those
needing to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of
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Posted by William Gray on Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:10 AM    Post subject: Invitation to Visit Metal Web News

You are invited to visit the Metal Web News Web Page at: http://www.metalwebnews.com MWN is a source of how to do
metalworking information for all types of metalworking interests including machining, metal fabrication, welding, forge
and foundry, blacksmithing, jewelry making, etc. There is a for sale and items wanted area available for those needing
to dispose of metalworking items and locate items. We are always interested in posting projects of metalworkers. Just
send your text and graphics and they will be added so our worldwide readers can view your work. METAL WEB NEWS William
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View entire thread: possible gloat, or is it just a femto-gloat? and what the h
Posted by Martin H. Eastburn on Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:24 AM    Post subject: Re: possible gloat, or is it just a femto-gloat? and what t

I'd say maybe this was general jewelry making stuff. Simple tools for general work. The drill guide might be that or a
wire guide. Might be for sizing sterling or copper wire... Al pliers - non-sparking - but also won't crush copper -
maybe. Not electrical - Jewelry. Martin Martin H. Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at
consolidated dot net NRA LOH & Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder IHMSA and NRA
Metallic Silhouette maker & member http://lufkinced.com/ William Noble wrote: [quote:a59af72f80]we all get sucked
into a pile of "interesting stuff" from time to time - I bid on and won this e-bay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190034302694 (the link is there if you want to see a
photo) - the pile was described as: "a random mix of metal tools. I have no idea what most are used for. There are
2 drafting tools marked Park Instrument Co., a metal two sided scribe marked General, a 6 inch metal ruler marked #603,
can't read name, Athol, Mass, USA, Tempered #4, 6 inch ruler with a sliding T, unmarked. Small aluminum pliers marked W.
C. Slocumb, Peeler Howe Co., St. Paul, Minn., USA, Unusual Drill sizer, Marked A. Stubs, 19 or 61, and last is like some
type of micrometer or part of one. All are in pretty good condition, some have rust or oxidation. " the stuff
arrived today - the "drafting tools" were some cheap dividers - no gloat the metal scribe is a trammel type
tool made by General - usable, but no gloat the ruler was Starrett, hardened, cleaned up nicely - no gloat, but at
least I'm close to even with that the other "6 inch rule" cleaned up OK, but it has no name on it, is pretty
old though - no gloat the aluminum pliers are cute - wonder what they are for - anyone have a clue? the "drill
sizer" is the item of great interest - it's not a sizer, it has nothing to do with drills, it's a watchmaker's
thread plate made by PS Stubs, of the type described here: http://www.davistownmuseum.org/bioStubs.htm, it's a #61 (or
19?) in pretty good condition, screw sizes from about #4 to someting really tiny, total length is 5.6 inches from the
tip of the handle to the end of the screwplate - very nicely hardened too - no idea what I'll use it for, but it's cool
- is this a major gloat or a femto-gloat? any opinions? oh, the "micrometer part" is really part of some
optical device (anyone have a clue?) it has a dial graduated from infiinty to 0.5 meters, has a 0.275 inch diameter
mounting pin, and two mirrors - it may be part of a camera range/viewfinder? or maybe part of a transit? I'd like to
figure out what this is, but it's probably not a valuable or useful item once I figure it out - it's the thing with the
round dial in the photo. it is plated brass, aprox square in cross section (.433 inches), 2.440 inches long - the side
with the dial has one window (the thing wth the concentric circles).178 inches in diameter, the other side has two such
windows, one in line with the window visible in the photo, one at the oposite end of the device - rotating the mirror
changes the mirror angle on the through window pair. If I wasn't convinced this was waaaaaay too old, I'd say it was
part of a laser range finder. It's nicely machined, if I had to guess, I'd say it's German, and pre 1965, maybe pre WWII
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View entire thread: possible gloat, or is it just a femto-gloat? and what the h
Posted by William Noble on Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:37 AM    Post subject: Re: possible gloat, or is it just a femto-gloat? and what t

The "drill guide" is definately a threading plate, I can see the threads in the holes. The pliers may be
jewelry relatedm after examining them with a magnifying glass, they say "B&B St Paul Minn USA" around the
pivot, they are also stamped "W.C.Slocomb Peelew Howe. Co." - maybe that is a hint, though a web search
for B&B isn't a good way to find out about these pliers, methinks. anyone got more clues? "Martin H.
Eastburn" <lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote in message news:1161311152_68007@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
[quote:e6a1c0102b]I'd say maybe this was general jewelry making stuff. Simple tools for general work. The drill guide
might be that or a wire guide. Might be for sizing sterling or copper wire... Al pliers - non-sparking - but also
won't crush copper - maybe. Not electrical - Jewelry. Martin Martin H. Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our
computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH & Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter
Founder IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member http://lufkinced.com/ [/quote:e6a1c0102b] -- Posted via
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View entire thread: What's your current project?
Posted by Kenda on Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:38 PM    Post subject: Re: What's your current project?

Currently I am working on DS#1's trip to Guatemala trip this past spring break. It is turning out pretty nice. I am
also making jewelry for my niece for Christmas. I am also working on some jewelry for another young lady. I would
like to work on Christmas cards....at this point I think it is a pipe dream! LOL -- Kenda (Remove NOSPAM to reply)
View my projects @: http://community.webshots.com/user/kendalee101 Projects completed for 2006 212 cards 3 mini books
12 LO's 6 quilts 3 beaded braclets "Deb in AR" <bsrdjr@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:xJPVg.9820$GR.958@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... [quote:bd4a375c2b]I'm still working on the Sept. challenge. I'm
making mini albums for my sis and SIL for Christmas. Using the same paper, cardstock, etc for each, same titles for
pages on both. Just changing some of the journaling. Once I get one done, the other shoudl go quickly. The albums will
go in AOL boxes. Already have the 2 AOL boxes covered, still workign on embellishing them. Gotta figure out closeures.
After you put paper on them, the magnetic thing just doesn't work. LOL I'm hoping today to pick up a mini album kit I
saw at Wal Mart several weeks ago. It's this really cute boyish album, about 4" x 4" I guess. Has the mini
album with all the embellishments, etc. I'm going to do it up for my Mom to put in pics of my nephew. (Christmas
present.) He lives in the same town as them, so spends quite a bit of time at "Nana & Papa's". Needless
to say, Mom has quite a few pics of him! LOL Then there's the idea I had the other morning for Christmas gifts. We're
going to take alllllllllll of the digital pics we have, sort them by year, rename pics as needed (maybe), then burn them
to CD's. I'm not sure who will get them, but certainly our parents. I imagine we'll do them for my siblings, too.
Once my Dad gets them, he may not share! LOL (Just a little attached to his grandkids.) So I need to get started on
sorting them. Scary thought since we have digital pics going back to 2001. Of course, I still have my former kitty
Bagheera's album to finish, and DD's first album. (Both spiral bound.) We won't discuss where I am in the rest of DD
and DS's pics. LOL Plus tryign to start planning DH's BotCon album. That's going to the toughy! Plus needing to start
our album for our Mexico trip we took this summer. Plus another mini book kit I started at my Sept. stamp camp. (Yes,
Kenda, it's still not done.) I gotta stop getting ideas for projects. LOL -- Deb in AR - Desert Rat at heart!
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bsrdjr@sbcglobal.net/my_photos Independent Stampin' Up! Demonstrator Pages complete 2006
= 3 Goal for 2006: 1 LO a week [/quote:bd4a375c2b]

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View entire thread: OT - Totally my new favorite acronym!
Posted by CindyB on Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:29 PM    Post subject: Re: OT - Totally my new favorite acronym!

Are there other MTs on this group? (I'm fairly new here.) I've recently discovered that quite a few MTs (medical
transcriptionists) seem to need a creative outlet. Many people I know sew. A few write (I used to many moons ago and may
some day attempt it again). I never knew I had a creative/crafty side until recently. I took a bead/jewelry class at
Michael's about a year ago and enjoyed it. I've been playing with making jewelry off and on since. Most of my Christmas
gifts were candles and/or jewelry. I just started playing with polymer clay about a month or two ago. I'm not very
good with it, but it's fun. I just got my rings yesterday and started right in making chain maille bracelets. I've
completed 2 already - very very basic weaves. But, once I get the hang of it, I will have fun dressing them up with
beads. On 20 Jun 2006 07:18:57 -0700, "Dr. Sooz" <penhall98@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote:f8d0d87c01]What is it about this group and medical transcriptionists? Or is it med. transcriptionists and
beading? Or....what? CindyB wrote: I am a medical transcriptionist and our newsgroup (sci.med.transcription) would
just love this story. Do you mind if I copy and paste it to them? CindyB[/quote:f8d0d87c01]

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Posted by Linda C on Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:35 PM    Post subject: Re: I'm working on . . .

NO you are not weird! LOL I think feeling crafty doesnt always have to be scrapping. I make cards and ATC's and have
done some altered things as gifts. I wish I had thought to take pictures of some of the things I have made. I dont have
a BOM yet, but maybe I should start one! :-) Keep on crafting whatever you want! our craftiness CAN change with the
weather! :-) Linda On Oct 30, 6:28 pm, Luna <lunach...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote: [quote:56a4bb9e6c]I've been
on a jewelry making jag the last couple of weeks, so my next page is going to be pictures of some pieces I've made.
(not as cool as Kate's famous necklace, but not too bad I think) I just have to finish up a few things next weekend and
then I'll be ready. I wonder if I'm making the jewelry so I'll have an excuse to take pictures and scrap them, or if
I'm planning a scrapbook page as an excuse to make jewelry. I feel sort of guilty somehow, like a scrapbook should be
for memories of people and events, not just sort of bragging like "Look what I made! And look at the pretty papers
I used!" Am I getting a bit weird here? I think it's the weather.[/quote:56a4bb9e6c]

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Posted by King's Crown on Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:45 AM    Post subject: Re: I'm working on . . .

You're cracking me up Luna... I'm picturing someone walking around with this album under their arm ambushing
unsuspecting victims making them look at the scrapbook of cool things they've made. I can see where you might think
this, but I love having an album of things I made. 99% of the time it's for me to look through and reminisce about the
things I've made. BUT every now and then someone will ask to see it and I let them... and yes I love showing off my
handy work. Enjoy this album it's one of the few times you can enjoy something that "all about you!" Don't
feel guilty... feel crafty, Lynne "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:
lunachick-C510F9.19293930102006@news.west.earthlink.net... [quote:f5b30b92b8]I've been on a jewelry making jag the last
couple of weeks, so my next page is going to be pictures of some pieces I've made. (not as cool as Kate's famous
necklace, but not too bad I think) I just have to finish up a few things next weekend and then I'll be ready. I wonder
if I'm making the jewelry so I'll have an excuse to take pictures and scrap them, or if I'm planning a scrapbook page as
an excuse to make jewelry. I feel sort of guilty somehow, like a scrapbook should be for memories of people and events,
not just sort of bragging like "Look what I made! And look at the pretty papers I used!" Am I getting a bit
weird here? I think it's the weather.[/quote:f5b30b92b8]

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Posted by Luna on Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:28 AM    Post subject: I'm working on . . .

I've been on a jewelry making jag the last couple of weeks, so my next page is going to be pictures of some pieces I've
made. (not as cool as Kate's famous necklace, but not too bad I think) I just have to finish up a few things next
weekend and then I'll be ready. I wonder if I'm making the jewelry so I'll have an excuse to take pictures and scrap
them, or if I'm planning a scrapbook page as an excuse to make jewelry. I feel sort of guilty somehow, like a
scrapbook should be for memories of people and events, not just sort of bragging like "Look what I made! And
look at the pretty papers I used!" Am I getting a bit weird here? I think it's the weather.

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Posted by Sandy on Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:42 AM    Post subject: Re: I'm working on . . .

I don't think you are bragging. I think a scrapbook page can be an expression of ourselves and our memories as well as
memories of people, places and events. Lots of scrappers finally reach a point where they start to make their BOM
(Book of Me) I just think it takes longer for some reach that point than others. Sandy "Luna"
<lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:lunachick-C510F9.19293930102006@news.west.earthlink.net...
[quote:96c73b454f]I've been on a jewelry making jag the last couple of weeks, so my next page is going to be pictures of
some pieces I've made. (not as cool as Kate's famous necklace, but not too bad I think) I just have to finish up a few
things next weekend and then I'll be ready. I wonder if I'm making the jewelry so I'll have an excuse to take pictures
and scrap them, or if I'm planning a scrapbook page as an excuse to make jewelry. I feel sort of guilty somehow, like a
scrapbook should be for memories of people and events, not just sort of bragging like "Look what I made! And look
at the pretty papers I used!" Am I getting a bit weird here? I think it's the weather.[/quote:96c73b454f]

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Posted by anji on Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:46 AM    Post subject: Re: I'm working on . . .

i agree sandy. i think everyone should make a BOM. maybe even once a year. or at least add a few pages a year to it.
we all change, our habits, tv shows, what makes us happy, etc. now, i think maybe i should get busy making my BOM. Anji
Sandy wrote: [quote:9f21297b7f]I don't think you are bragging. I think a scrapbook page can be an expression of
ourselves and our memories as well as memories of people, places and events. Lots of scrappers finally reach a point
where they start to make their BOM (Book of Me) I just think it takes longer for some reach that point than others.
Sandy "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:lunachick-
C510F9.19293930102006@news.west.earthlink.net... I've been on a jewelry making jag the last couple of weeks, so my next
page is going to be pictures of some pieces I've made. (not as cool as Kate's famous necklace, but not too bad I think)
I just have to finish up a few things next weekend and then I'll be ready. I wonder if I'm making the jewelry so I'll
have an excuse to take pictures and scrap them, or if I'm planning a scrapbook page as an excuse to make jewelry. I
feel sort of guilty somehow, like a scrapbook should be for memories of people and events, not just sort of bragging
like "Look what I made! And look at the pretty papers I used!" Am I getting a bit weird here? I think it's
the weather.[/quote:9f21297b7f]

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Posted by Tazmadazz on Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:13 AM    Post subject: Re: I'm working on . . .

Have fun Luna, would like to see some of the pieces. I'd scrapbook them as that is a part of who you are and not weird
at all. Teresa in MD "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:lunachick-
C510F9.19293930102006@news.west.earthlink.net... [quote:de61ba9a4d]I've been on a jewelry making jag the last couple of
weeks, so my next page is going to be pictures of some pieces I've made. (not as cool as Kate's famous necklace, but
not too bad I think) I just have to finish up a few things next weekend and then I'll be ready. I wonder if I'm making
the jewelry so I'll have an excuse to take pictures and scrap them, or if I'm planning a scrapbook page as an excuse to
make jewelry. I feel sort of guilty somehow, like a scrapbook should be for memories of people and events, not just
sort of bragging like "Look what I made! And look at the pretty papers I used!" Am I getting a bit weird
here? I think it's the weather.[/quote:de61ba9a4d]

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Posted by Luna on Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:11 PM    Post subject: Re: I'm working on . . .

I'm still in search of one perfect pendant bead to finish a necklace, then I'll start the photographing. In article
<12ko8c8fjo91fe4@corp.supernews.com>, "Tazmadazz" <Tazmadazz@KITTYatlanticBB.net> wrote:
[quote:e5fce8443d]Have fun Luna, would like to see some of the pieces. I'd scrapbook them as that is a part of who you
are and not weird at all. Teresa in MD "Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message news:
lunachick-C510F9.19293930102006@news.west.earthlink.net... I've been on a jewelry making jag the last couple of weeks,
so my next page is going to be pictures of some pieces I've made. (not as cool as Kate's famous necklace, but not too
bad I think) I just have to finish up a few things next weekend and then I'll be ready. I wonder if I'm making the
jewelry so I'll have an excuse to take pictures and scrap them, or if I'm planning a scrapbook page as an excuse to make
jewelry. I feel sort of guilty somehow, like a scrapbook should be for memories of people and events, not just sort of
bragging like "Look what I made! And look at the pretty papers I used!" Am I getting a bit weird here? I
think it's the weather.[/quote:e5fce8443d]

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View entire thread: why are grad rings so expensive?
Posted by Peter W.. Rowe, on Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:08 AM    Post subject: Re: why are grad rings so expensive?

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:43:19 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry nosugarintea@yahoo.com wrote: [quote:067d635064]Should i just
go to a jewellery store and ask them to make up a ring with my school name and major? my school charges 200 bucks for
silver ring. the silver content is worth about a dollar as silver is about 12 buck an ounze. [/quote:067d635064] While
you do pay for any precious metal in a graduation ring, a good deal of the cost, is the labor involved. These are not,
after all, just pulled off the shelf. Each and every ring is made expecially to order, with the desired designs, years,
and other personalized info, and made to the right size. Each is custom made. That costs money. And you buy rather
more with the usual class ring than is traditional with most other jewelry, in terms of service and warranty. While it
may not always be the case any more with all companies (check. It's worth it if it's there), the class ring
manufacturers have traditionally stood by their product almost indefinately, for the original owner of a ring, even to
the point of remaking the thing years or decades later, if it becomes too worn or damaged, and doing that for a mostly
nominal fee. And even minor service may represent more work than you realize. With most class rings, the companies
don't even have a repair department. If you send your ring in for changing the size, or because there's some blemish
you wish repaired, they just scrap the ring, pull the mold they made for your ring back off the shelf, and make you a
whole new one. In part this is because it's more efficient and less costly for them to not have a bunch of employees
just doing repairs, but it's also because with some of the metals they make the rings out of, repairs are simply not
possible. And don't underestimate just what goes into making these rings. The type of detailing and carving involved
is generally way beyond what any typical custom jewelerly shop can do in house, unless they are equipped with the latest
revolutions in jewelry making, CAD/CAM technology. That at least makes it possible for a jeweler to make a model equal
in quality to what the class rings need for casting. But it too, isn't cheap. And after casting, typical class rings
then need stones set. Now, it's cheap enough raw material in most of the stones, but try finding a source for synthetic
sapphire with just the school crest you wish encrusted into the top of the stone. Again, this is all custom, stuff the
average jeweler cannot do, and