View entire thread: OT Humour a real oldie (PG) Zen Sarcasm
Posted by Louise on Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:23 AM Post subject: Re: OT Humour a real oldie (PG) Zen Sarcasm
I'd seen a lot of these, but they're just as good the second time around. It seems I'm seeing a lot of #28 lately, and
I choose to ignore 27! -- Louise in Iowa nieland4 at mchsi dot com http://community.webshots.com/user/louiseiniowa
"Cats" <CATS@NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message news:454003ba$1_4@news.chariot.net.au...
[quote:dfa2c8a737]This has been around so many times before but I just got it again by email from an ex-co-worker. I
always smile when I read a couple of them. Right now I really relate to 15 and 30, although in view of recent posts re
addiction maybe we should all think about 27. Zen Sarcasm 1. Do not walk behind me, for I may not
lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either. Just pretty much leave me the hell
alone. 2. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire. 3. It's
always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. 4.
Sex is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any. 5. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be
replaced, you can't be promoted. 6. No one is listening until you fart. 7. Always remember you're
unique. Just like everyone else. 8. Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 9. If you
think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. 10. Before you criticize someone, you
should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. 11.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 12. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach
him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. 13. If you lend someone $20 and never see that
person again, it was probably worth it. 14. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. 15.
Some days you're the bug; some days you're the windshield. 16. Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.
17. Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 18. The quickest
way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. 19. A closed mouth gathers no
foot. 20. Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
21. There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. 22. Generally speaking, you aren't
learning much when your lips are moving. 23. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
24. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 25. We are born naked, wet and hungry, and get slapped on our
ass...Then things get worse. 26. Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and laxative on the same
night. 27. There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." 28. No matter
what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. 29. There comes a time when you should stop
expecting other people to make a big deal about your birthday...around age 11. 30. Everyone seems normal until
you get to know them. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o o o ( > Y < ) (
> Y < ) ( > Y < ) Enness Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau [/quote:dfa2c8a737]
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View entire thread: OT Humour a real oldie (PG) Zen Sarcasm
Posted by polly esther on Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:50 AM Post subject: Re: OT Humour a real oldie (PG) Zen Sarcasm
Thank you for relaying this, Cheryl. I'd never seen it. Good, good, good. Polly "Cats"
<CATS@NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message news:454003ba$1_4@news.chariot.net.au... [quote:a482596c73]This has been
around so many times before but I just got it again by email from an ex-co-worker. I always smile when I read a couple
of them. Right now I really relate to 15 and 30, although in view of recent posts re addiction maybe we should all
think about 27. Zen Sarcasm 1. Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for
I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either. Just pretty much leave me the hell alone. 2. The journey of a
thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire. 3. It's always darkest before dawn. So if
you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. 4. Sex is like air. It's not
important unless you aren't getting any. 5. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be
promoted. 6. No one is listening until you fart. 7. Always remember you're unique. Just like
everyone else. 8. Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 9. If you think nobody cares
if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. 10. Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile
in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. 11. If at first
you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 12. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to
fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. 13. If you lend someone $20 and never see that person
again, it was probably worth it. 14. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. 15. Some
days you're the bug; some days you're the windshield. 16. Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time. 17.
Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 18. The quickest way to
double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. 19. A closed mouth gathers no foot. 20.
Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. 21. There
are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. 22. Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when
your lips are moving. 23. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 24. Never
miss a good chance to shut up. 25. We are born naked, wet and hungry, and get slapped on our ass...Then things
get worse. 26. Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and laxative on the same night. 27.
There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." 28. No matter what happens,
somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. 29. There comes a time when you should stop expecting other
people to make a big deal about your birthday...around age 11. 30. Everyone seems normal until you get to know
them. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o o o ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) (
> Y < ) Enness Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau [/quote:a482596c73]
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View entire thread: OT Humour a real oldie (PG) Zen Sarcasm
Posted by Cats on Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:39 AM Post subject: OT Humour a real oldie (PG) Zen Sarcasm
This has been around so many times before but I just got it again by email from an ex-co-worker. I always smile when I
read a couple of them. Right now I really relate to 15 and 30, although in view of recent posts re addiction maybe we
should all think about 27. Zen Sarcasm 1. Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk
ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either. Just pretty much leave me the hell alone. 2.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire. 3. It's always darkest
before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. 4. Sex is
like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any. 5. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be
replaced, you can't be promoted. 6. No one is listening until you fart. 7. Always remember you're
unique. Just like everyone else. 8. Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 9. If you
think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. 10. Before you criticize someone, you
should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. 11.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 12. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach
him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. 13. If you lend someone $20 and never see
that person again, it was probably worth it. 14. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
15. Some days you're the bug; some days you're the windshield. 16. Don't worry; it only seems kinky the
first time. 17. Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 18.
The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. 19. A closed mouth
gathers no foot. 20. Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe
together. 21. There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. 22. Generally speaking,
you aren't learning much when your lips are moving. 23. Experience is something you don't get until just after
you need it. 24. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 25. We are born naked, wet and hungry, and get
slapped on our ass...Then things get worse. 26. Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and
laxative on the same night. 27. There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
28. No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. 29. There comes a time when
you should stop expecting other people to make a big deal about your birthday...around age 11. 30. Everyone
seems normal until you get to know them. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o o o (
> Y < ) ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) Enness Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau
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View entire thread: OT Lame Joke (PG 13)
Posted by Kathy Applebaum on Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:00 PM Post subject: OT Lame Joke (PG 13)
The Lame Joke of the Week, courtesy of Car Talk: An elderly man in Florida had owned a large farm for several years. He
had a large pond in the back, fixed up nicely: Picnic tables, horseshoe courts, a volleyball court, and some apple and
peach trees. The pond was properly shaped and fixed up for swimming. One evening the old farmer decided to go down to
the pond and look it over, as he hadn't been there in a while. He grabbed a five-gallon bucket to bring back some
fruit. As he neared the pond, he heard voices shouting and laughing with glee. As he came closer, he saw it was a bunch
of young women skinny-dipping in his pond. He made the women aware of his presence and they all went to the deep end.
One of the women shouted to him, "We're not coming out until you leave!" The old man frowned, "I didn't
come down here to watch you ladies swim naked or make you get out of the pond naked." Holding the bucket up he
said, "I'm here to feed the alligator." Old men can still think fast. -- Kathy A. (Woodland, CA) Queen of
Fabric Tramps mailto:KathyA@KayneyNOSPAMQuilting.com http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/ remove the obvious
to reply
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View entire thread: My gift
Posted by Kiteflyer on Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:12 PM Post subject: My gift
I could see something didn’t fit as when I was still 25 yards from the creek. It was a bright orange color in the
sunlight, nothing that would appear in nature. I was naturally curious, but with no real reason to hurry. As I got
closer, my heart moved farther up into my throat. When I was right on it, my fears were confirmed. It was
Stacy, lying there beside the water, a small patch of blood clearly visible on the side of her head. Terrified, I
moved toward her slowly, glancing around to see if whoever had done this might still be lurking about. The forest air
was still but for the chirping of a few birds. When I at last summoned my courage, I moved up and knelt
beside her. She was not breathing, I could find no heart beat, and though I shook her, her body was limp. She was
still warm, but there was no life in her. I was in shock, not knowing what to do. In movies, you always ran and told
someone when you encountered a body, but somehow movies could never convey the realness of such a situation. I sat
there for a moment, my mouth agape, no idea in the world what to do. Tears sprang to my eyes after a while.
Tears over this beautiful girl, this girl who in some childish way I had loved. I had dreamed sometimes of hugging
her, and I had had orgasms thinking about her hair, the way her teen perfume smelled when I sat beside her on the
swing. Now I would never be able to smell it again. I would never have the chance to hug her, never be able to kiss
her. With tears blurring my eyes, I crawled over to her and looked down. Her eyes were still open in a
stare, but reflexively, I bent down and sniffed her. It was still there, her smell. A fruity, violet sort of smell,
like candy almost, very faint, but very sweet. I followed the smell, something in me wanting to know where it came
from, and I discovered that it was strongest at her neck. It was so incredibly sweet my tongue darted out and tasted.
Her flesh was soft where my tongue touched. Raising my head again, I looked into her beautiful eyes, and
drying my tears with the back of my hand, I said gently into her face, “I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m sorry . . .” I
didn’t know what I was sorry for exactly. Sorry for kissing her? Sorry for what had happened to her? Sorry for
finding her? But something in her eyes was reassuring to me. Something told me that it was all right, everything
was all right, and a sense of peace spread over me. That was the moment when I kissed her. I didn’t think
about it, I just knelt down next to her, and kissed her childish lips with my own. They were soft. Far softer than
her neck even, and though she could not return the kiss, I imagined that she did. And then, I did something
that I should not have, though something in her eyes had invited me, had told me that, yeah, if I wanted to, it would
be ok. I made the decision that Stacy would be the first girl I would see naked. I don’t think to this day that
they have discovered who actually killed Stacy. Probably some drifter passing through; murderers never actually live in
small towns, just pass through wreaking their havoc. I’ll state emphatically that I had nothing to do with it. I
found her just the way that I have said. But I am bound to confess, after all these years, that I was the one who
undressed her. I found her lying there in her orange tank top, her cut off shorts, orange socks and Keds, and I
took them all off, and tossed them in the creek to make it look as though the murderer had done it. Slowly,
I pulled her tank over her head, her arms seeming to fight me at every maneuver. Without pausing, preferring to wait
until I was finished, I unbuttoned and unzipped her shorts and slid them down her muscular tanned legs. She was
wearing a pair of Barbie panties, white, with pictures of Barbie in hearts polk-a-dotting the fabric, and two holes in
the side from where they were old and worn. Looking down at her, I realized, almost laughing at myself, that her
shoes and socks seemed incongruous with her nakedness, and I popped the shoes off one after the other and rolled the
socks off her ankles. She lay there before me now, her eyes looking up at the sky, her hair in an orange
ponytail holder spilling out unkempt, her body brown from the summer sun. I looked at her for a moment, unable to
catch my breath at what I had done. A naked girl, a beautiful naked girl, lying before me. Her chest was freckled
lightly in the same way as her face, the freckles fading as they neard her breasts. They were only mounds, really,
her breasts, just developing, with soft brown nipples sitting perfectly atop each. I could tell when I looked
closely that her left breast was slightly larger than her right, and it was sad to think that the other one would
never catch up now. I knelt down beside her and took one of her nipples in my mouth and tried to suck, thinking in my
ignorance that perhaps there was something there to suck. And though nothing was there, it felt good to have this
rubbery nipple in my mouth, on my tongue, between my teeth. I moved down then, lower on her body, touching
her feet, feeling her thighs in my hand. I pinched her a little, half-expecting her to complain, but there was no
sound, no movement. Then, I parted her legs, bending the knees and raising her legs up when I found that this allowed
for the best view. Her pussy was small, the lips thin and long, and only a bare tuft of hair had begun to cover her.
I moved still closer now, wanting more than anything to see what lay there, between those odd lips. Using my fingers,
I stroked her there, and was surprised at how amazingly soft it was. It was almost like stroking a soft cotten.
Then, with my thumbs, I opened the lips and was amazed at the many wonders that lay there. I stretched them wider and
wider, looking deeper and deeper, discovering the hole, small but dark and sticking a finger inside to feel what it
felt like. It was still warm inside of her, and slippery. Then I understood. I understood what it was that
sex was about all in a rush. Perhaps I had seen something of it as a child, interrupting my parents and then
repressing the memory, or heard something on television, but it was as if the knowledge was already there and I had
only forgotten it for a time. I pulled my own t-shirt over my head, and took off my shorts and underwear in
a rush. I had never been naked out of doors that I could remember, and the wind was ticklish, but frightening as
well, in its suggestion that being caught was a real possibility. My four inch penis was hard already, to the point
that it almost hurt. Unsure what to do, I positioned myself between her legs, and lay down on top of her, my chest
against hers, my penis lying between us against her flat belly. I began to shift myself, trying to figure out exactly
what to do. I wiggled lower, searching for the opening. Finally, thinking that I would never be able to do this with
a real girl, I took my own penis in my hand, and using my other hand to find the hole, I pushed myself in.
She lay there motionless beneath me as I went in. I was unsure what to do at first, and I lay still inside of her,
feeling what it was like to have a part of myself inside another human being. Then I began to move. Maybe it was
only to get out, at first, thinking that perhaps I had gone to far. But as I moved to get out of her, the feeling
was so good, so intense, that I pushed back into her. I began to move slowly in and out, feeling the rubbing
sensation, looking into her eyes, encirling her waist with me hands and feeling the softness of her ass. At last I
came, and it was like nothing that I had ever experienced, allowing my own semen to flow into someone. I rolled off
of her and lay there for several minutes panting. There was nothing else to do. I knew that I had to get
away from here, that there would be no coming back for more, no way to preserve this love of my life. I gathered my
clothes and dressed slowly. Then, after a last gentle kiss, I made my way back to the house where I spent the
afternoon watching cartoons and trying to look innocent. They found her a couple of days later, and there was quite
a stir for a while. A murderer/ rapist in our little home town, a true event. It all died down eventually, and
people went on with their lives. I was never able to forget though. It was my first time. It was her first time.
Part of me will never be able to love anyone as much as I loved Stacy. -=- This message was sent via two or more
anonymous remailing services.
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View entire thread: Way OT -- but not inappropriate -- Australia
Posted by Fey on Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:19 PM Post subject: Re: Way OT -- but not inappropriate -- Australia
blackrosequilts wrote: [quote:7a0cfc5756]So, ladies, tell me -- what's the best month of the year to visit what part of
Australia? Rose, potential globetrotter [/quote:7a0cfc5756] If you don't like the cold, stay away from Victoria and
Tasmania in the winter (May-August) If you don't like the hot, stay away from Queensland, northern NSW, and most parts
of Western Australia from November till May. If you don't like the wet come in the dry season in the tropics. May to Oct
I guess. If you don't like the dry, stick to the outside bits of the country.The Birdsville races are not for you. If
you want to attend the Melbourne Cup Carnival its the first week in Novemnber. Gay Mardi Gras is Mid March in Sydney.
It's always tourist season on the Gold Coast. Kangaroo races are generally held on Wednesdays - come naked except for
your jockey cap and whip! ;) Fay
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View entire thread: Test-Agent 3.3 under Wine, via Mepis Linux
Posted by Larry Jaques on Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:08 PM Post subject: Re: Test-Agent 3.3 under Wine, via Mepis Linux
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:34:30 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner Asch <gunner@NoSpam.lightspeed.net> quickly
quoth: [quote:da1f2bdb38]This thing working? New install [/quote:da1f2bdb38] No, I didn't see your message I'm
quoting, Gunner. <bseg> ------ We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse
from there. - http://diversify.com Website Application Programming -
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View entire thread: OT: Cleaning shirts stained with anti-perspirant. (Metal Rel
Posted by Larry Jaques on Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:07 PM Post subject: Re: OT: Cleaning shirts stained with anti-perspirant. (Metal
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:26:28 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "Jon Danniken"
<jonREMOVETHISdanniken@yahoo.com> quickly quoth: [quote:ace456b7c1]clutch@lycos.com> wrote: Dave Young <
wrote: Trisodium Phosphate. Not great for the environment, but cleans the heck out of stuff. Should be able to get it
at a hardware store, etc. Liquid (diluted) at Home Despot. Brownells likely has TSP in powdered form. Used to be able
to buy TSP salt at paint stores; haven't checked in a few years, though. [/quote:ace456b7c1] They do. I bought some this
year at the local Dutch Boy Paint for stripping the gloss off the paint of my interior trim. $3 for a pint-sized milk
carton full. Grocery stores still sell the fake TSP (orange and white teepee box), too, but I don't think it cleans as
well. When possible, discard of TSP rinse water somewhere other than a sewer system so it stay out of the waterways.
------ We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse from there. - http://diversify.com Website Application
Programming -
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View entire thread: [OT] The Sounds of Silencing -- Why do Americans on the lef
Posted by D Murphy on Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:39 AM Post subject: Re: The Sounds of Silencing -- Why do Americans on the left
"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in news:yaiYg.3235$ON3.2035@newsfe10.lga:
[quote:154ada6fde]"D Murphy" <spamto154@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns985CD6620917DBW12BU20MU38SY@130.133.1.4... "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
news:1N9Yg.43$A%3.20@newsfe08.lga: "Notice that she ignores the fact that the Republicans shunted protesters off
into chain-link cages far from the cameras during the last party convention" Only problem is Ed, it was the 2004
Democratic National Convention that had the fenced in protest area. http://traprockpeace.org/dnc_protest_pen/ I'm
sorry, I meant "Free Speech Zone". The concertina wire was a nice touch. Ah, indeed, you're right. The wire
cages were at the Boston DNC convention. I still think the head of the DNC and the mayor of Boston or whoever approved
that thing should spend 20 years in jail for violation of civil rights. [/quote:154ada6fde] I agree. The repubs had no
such area and most of the city was open for demonstrations. There was a very strict security area around the convention
center. Which I think you could make a case for given that a Republican convention in New York City is a juicy target
for a terrorist. But I recall seeing several pols being hassled on their way to the convention. [quote:154ada6fde]
However, Noonan's story said that "liberals" were the guilty ones regarding limiting speech. The Republicans
also had an "exclusion zone" at their convention, to keep convention delegates from having to see or hear
protests, and the police arrested 1800 demonstrators there (over 90% of the cases were later dropped). So the point that
suppressing free speech is exclusively a "liberal" issue simply is not true. She just cherry-picked the
anecdotes (good over cereal in the morning, btw...). [/quote:154ada6fde] 1800 out of over 1/4 million demonstrators is
not too awful bad percentage wise. No doubt the police strong armed them when given the slightest provocation. They
were badly outnumbered and things have a way of getting out of hand in a hurry. New York cops are pretty much a no
nonsense bunch when things get tense anyway. Some of the arrests were going to happen because the demonstrators wanted
to get arrested. Taking off all your clothes and protesting naked is always a safe bet. Sneaking into the convention
center and disrupting a speech will get you busted. Blocking traffic is another sure fire way to get busted. New
Yorkers are pretty tolerant of demonstrations, until they screw up traffic. Then they tend to get a "hang 'em
high" attitude. On balance I'd have to say that 1/4 million people expressing themselves all over the city was
far more free than applying for a permit to stand in a cage for a limited amount of time. Obviously Noonan is going to
cherry pick. So do Democratic strategists when they share their little ancedotes. Same Jackals, different stripes. --
Dan Scopulus est usquequaque nefas
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View entire thread: 20 T Bottle Jack Howzit Work? - Need To Fix!! HELPPPPP!!!
Posted by BEAR on Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:22 PM Post subject: Re: 20 T Bottle Jack Howzit Work? - Need To Fix!! HELPPPPP!!
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: [quote:df6a6c1812]"BEAR" <bearlabs@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:12ikuemcke1h16a@corp.supernews.com... What I need is for someone to answer the Q's I had so that I can at least
try to find out what has gone south on this one!! Then we'll see. OK, FINE! <G There are only four moving parts
in a bottle jack, if you ignore the screw in the ram, and the little equalizer arm on the pump. [/quote:df6a6c1812] ok.
[quote:df6a6c1812] 1) the main piston. Fitted for seal in the cylinder by one or two o-rings which are sometimes let
into the cylinder wall, and sometimes held in a screwed-on gland at the top. [/quote:df6a6c1812] yep, bug hex on the top
around the ram/piston. [quote:df6a6c1812] 2) the pump, usually sealed by one o-ring in the top of its cylinder.
[/quote:df6a6c1812] seems so. [quote:df6a6c1812] 3) bleed/check valve. Usually a simple ball-check, sometimes on a
hard seat, sometimes on an o-ring seat. [/quote:df6a6c1812] now... where would that be?? At the bottom of the pump
assembly? [quote:df6a6c1812] 4) the intake valve for the pump. This is sometimes in the bottom of the pump, and
sometimes in the main cylinder base in the same bore as the check/bleed assembly. [/quote:df6a6c1812] ok, there is a
metal assembly, about the dia of a quarter, two balls in it, one on top one on the bottom, swaged in place, chambers
within... below seems to be a passage (big) to the reservoir, machined out areas around the sides of this short
cylinder (the thing with the balls in it) this is the intake valve - pull back on the pump and it pulls fluid up, push
down and it routes it to the cylinder?? [quote:df6a6c1812] When the intake valve is under the check valve (which is
common), it can become unseated by unscrewing the bleed screw too far, [/quote:df6a6c1812] Bleed screw being the thang
that takes us -down-? hmmm... so ya think there is something in there besides a pointy seat for the screw? then
actuating the [quote:df6a6c1812]pump. Screwing the check valve back down sometimes won't restore it to its seat. The
same thing can happen to the check valve. The torn rubber may just be the sealing o-rings around the bleed screw, or
they may be the seat for either the check valve or the intake valve. It's pretty easy to check. [/quote:df6a6c1812] k.
[quote:df6a6c1812] If the cylinder goes up a tad when the pump piston is depressed, but then goes back down when the
piston is raised, the problem is probably in the check valve. If you get no motion, it's probably the intake valve, or
air in the galleries to the pump. If the thing is spitting oil out the pump, it's the top pump seal. If it's coming
out around the ram, it's the top ram seal. [/quote:df6a6c1812] It tries to go up, usually does under no load. Absolutely
makes no umph with any sort of load. Just trying to get the idea of where the parts are and what they do... and figure
out where the fluid is bypassing whatever... ....so you say they all have some valving behind the bleed screw?? Thanks
for the help so far. _-_-bear [quote:df6a6c1812] Usually the o-rings are all stock metric stuff, and there's
a fair amount of "fudge" so not-so-exact rings will still work. There are at least a couple more o-rings
sealing the tank to the base and the tank to the outer diameter of the cylinder Take the jack screw or nose off the
ram. Empty the oil. Unscrew the "tank" from the base. You may have to unscrew a clamping ring from the top
of the cylinder to get the tank off. In that case, usually the tank is just held down by the clamp ring, and isn't
threaded into the base. Some use both. Both are sealed with o-rings. Clean up your work area again of the four or five
ounces of spilled oil you thought you'd gotten out already. The main cylinder and base will be naked and exposed for
your review. Disassemble the check/bleed assembly, using a magnet to fetch out parts, and minding their order. You can
find up to two balls and three springs in some of them, and the occasional spacer. Take the cotters out of the pump
arms, and pull the pump ram straight up out of the pump. Unscrew the cylinder from the base. Pull the ram out the
bottom of the cylinder. Clean up your work area again of the two or three ounces of spilled oil you thought you'd
gotten out already. ... not much else to see, except for inspecting the base for cracks between galleries. It's made
"Chinalloy" steel (actually re-melted wire hangers and Pabst cans from 1948, which is malleable on Tuesdays,
Thursdays, and Saturdays, and brittle as a soda cracker on the other four days. None of the o-ring grooves will have
their edges de-burred, so torn o-rings are par for the course as you attempt to insert new ones. Replace all rings, re-
assemble in reverse. Clean up your work area again of the one or two ounces of spilled oil you thought you'd gotten out
already. LLoyd LLoyd [/quote:df6a6c1812]
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View entire thread: 20 T Bottle Jack Howzit Work? - Need To Fix!! HELPPPPP!!!
Posted by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh on Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:22 PM Post subject: Re: 20 T Bottle Jack Howzit Work? - Need To Fix!! HELPPPPP!!
"BEAR" <bearlabs@netzero.net> wrote in message news:12ikuemcke1h16a@corp.supernews.com...
[quote:3ee68101f4]What I need is for someone to answer the Q's I had so that I can at least try to find out what has
gone south on this one!! Then we'll see. [/quote:3ee68101f4] OK, FINE! <G> There are only four moving parts in a
bottle jack, if you ignore the screw in the ram, and the little equalizer arm on the pump. 1) the main piston. Fitted
for seal in the cylinder by one or two o-rings which are sometimes let into the cylinder wall, and sometimes held in a
screwed-on gland at the top. 2) the pump, usually sealed by one o-ring in the top of its cylinder. 3) bleed/check
valve. Usually a simple ball-check, sometimes on a hard seat, sometimes on an o-ring seat. 4) the intake valve for
the pump. This is sometimes in the bottom of the pump, and sometimes in the main cylinder base in the same bore as the
check/bleed assembly. When the intake valve is under the check valve (which is common), it can become unseated by
unscrewing the bleed screw too far, then actuating the pump. Screwing the check valve back down sometimes won't
restore it to its seat. The same thing can happen to the check valve. The torn rubber may just be the sealing o-rings
around the bleed screw, or they may be the seat for either the check valve or the intake valve. It's pretty easy to
check. If the cylinder goes up a tad when the pump piston is depressed, but then goes back down when the piston is
raised, the problem is probably in the check valve. If you get no motion, it's probably the intake valve, or air in
the galleries to the pump. If the thing is spitting oil out the pump, it's the top pump seal. If it's coming out
around the ram, it's the top ram seal. Usually the o-rings are all stock metric stuff, and there's a fair amount of
"fudge" so not-so-exact rings will still work. There are at least a couple more o-rings sealing the tank to
the base and the tank to the outer diameter of the cylinder Take the jack screw or nose off the ram. Empty the oil.
Unscrew the "tank" from the base. You may have to unscrew a clamping ring from the top of the cylinder to
get the tank off. In that case, usually the tank is just held down by the clamp ring, and isn't threaded into the
base. Some use both. Both are sealed with o-rings. Clean up your work area again of the four or five ounces of
spilled oil you thought you'd gotten out already. The main cylinder and base will be naked and exposed for your
review. Disassemble the check/bleed assembly, using a magnet to fetch out parts, and minding their order. You can
find up to two balls and three springs in some of them, and the occasional spacer. Take the cotters out of the pump
arms, and pull the pump ram straight up out of the pump. Unscrew the cylinder from the base. Pull the ram out the
bottom of the cylinder. Clean up your work area again of the two or three ounces of spilled oil you thought you'd
gotten out already. .... not much else to see, except for inspecting the base for cracks between galleries. It's
made "Chinalloy" steel (actually re-melted wire hangers and Pabst cans from 1948, which is malleable on
Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, and brittle as a soda cracker on the other four days. None of the o-ring grooves
will have their edges de-burred, so torn o-rings are par for the course as you attempt to insert new ones. Replace all
rings, re-assemble in reverse. Clean up your work area again of the one or two ounces of spilled oil you thought you'd
gotten out already. LLoyd LLoyd
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View entire thread: OT - 4 Gunner
Posted by Cliff on Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:31 AM Post subject: Re: OT - 4 Gunner
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:55:49 -0700, sittingduck <you.love.sitting-duck@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
[quote:06d457361c]Terryc wrote: Yawn, these are a repeat. How about something fresh/ A liberal, a conservative and a
Republican were on on the Titanic when it crashed into an iceberg, sending all three tumbling across the deck. The
liberal cried, "We have to save the children." "Fuck the children," replied the conservative.
"Do we have enough time?" asked the Republican. [/quote:06d457361c] [ As I walked down the busy sidewalk,
knowing I was late for an important interview, my eyes fell upon one of those unfortunate, homeless vagabonds who are
found in every city these days. Wearing what can only be describes as rags, carrying every worldly possession in two
plastic bags, my heart was touched by this person's condition. Some people turned to stare. Others quickly looked away
as if the sight would somehow contaminate them. Recalling some long ago Sunday School admonition to "care for the
sick, feed the hungry and clothe the naked," I was moved by some powerful, inner urge to reach out to this
unfortunate person. Yes, where some people saw only rags, I saw a hidden beauty. A small voice inside my head called
out, "Reach out, reach out!" So I did.......... I get out of the hospital in about 3 months. It would be nice
to get a card or maybe a visitor. ]
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View entire thread: [OT] What a Load of Armitage! -- What did Patrick Fitzgeral
Posted by Gus on Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:09 PM Post subject: Re: What a Load of Armitage! -- What did Patrick Fitzgerald
tonyp wrote: [quote:da7a9170ef]"Gus" <sven-ole@hotmail.com> wrote Since Article 3 to the Geneva
Conventions prohibits, "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment",
who is to say that speaking to someone in an angry tone doesn't qualify as an outrage? I'm sure some European judge will
conclude that sooner or later. Hell, it's possible that some _American_ judge will "conclude that". Judges,
like usenet posters, sometimes say stupid things. The difference between judges and usenet posters is that judges who
say stupid things are subject to review by other, saner judges. In other words, Gus, _you_ can get away with saying
stupid things, but no single judge can say stupid things and make them stick. So get over your Limbaughian fantasies
about "speaking to someone in an angry tone". I guess I don't understand what's wrong with issuing
guidelines as to what these kinds of statements mean. Well, let's start with waterboarding and Abu-Ghraib-style naked
pyramids. Do you want those to be _within_ or _outside_ the "guidelines"? -- TP [/quote:da7a9170ef] Of course
everyone knows that the baloney that happened at Abu Ghraib was a bunch of out of control guards doing things for fun.
That was not government sanctioned and there was no purpose to it. Nobody wants that kind of conduct by our military.
I also think that few want the military to be doing any harsh interrogation of prisoners. However, in rare cases where
saving thousands of lives is at stake, waterboarding by specially trained CIA interrogators might be necessary.
Supposedly this technique was used on the mastermind of 9-11, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and it resulted in thwarting an
attack on a skyscraper in Los Angeles. Some people think it's more important to protect one barbarrian's rights than to
protect thousands of our own people. Personally, I don't think that's a good trade-off. Just another usnet opinion,
worth exactly what it cost. GW
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Posted by tonyp on Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:36 PM Post subject: Re: What a Load of Armitage! -- What did Patrick Fitzgerald
"Gus" <sven-ole@hotmail.com> wrote [quote:efd03949b3]Since Article 3 to the Geneva Conventions
prohibits, "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment", who is to say
that speaking to someone in an angry tone doesn't qualify as an outrage? I'm sure some European judge will conclude that
sooner or later. [/quote:efd03949b3] Hell, it's possible that some _American_ judge will "conclude that".
Judges, like usenet posters, sometimes say stupid things. The difference between judges and usenet posters is that
judges who say stupid things are subject to review by other, saner judges. In other words, Gus, _you_ can get away with
saying stupid things, but no single judge can say stupid things and make them stick. So get over your Limbaughian
fantasies about "speaking to someone in an angry tone". [quote:efd03949b3]I guess I don't understand what's
wrong with issuing guidelines as to what these kinds of statements mean. [/quote:efd03949b3] Well, let's start with
waterboarding and Abu-Ghraib-style naked pyramids. Do you want those to be _within_ or _outside_ the
"guidelines"? -- TP
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View entire thread: WTB: Drill Press Handles
Posted by Gunner on Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:17 PM Post subject: Re: WTB: Drill Press Handles
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:50:05 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote: [quote:207a382e53]On Wed,
13 Sep 2006 02:58:50 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> quickly quoth: On Tue,
12 Sep 2006 23:08:48 GMT, "Dave August" august@NOSPAMacmesi.com> wrote: I vote for JCWhitney, I've alwasy
wanted a naked woman suicide knob on my drill press.. LOL... --.- Dave A quick trip to Pep Boys will find a knobbie or
two. Then there is always the wonderful JCWhitney catalog for alll kinds of knobbies. How about a set of hand grenades
for knobs? Where DOES one get a suicide knob these days? Im gonna need one for the forklift. eBay, of course. I had
one on my first car, a '57 chebby BelAir 4dht. It had at least a 20" wheel and needed every BIT of it. Be sure you
mount it on the inside diameter so the outside is free to spin between your mitts. DAMHIKT (But it didn't break any
fingers.) http://collectibles.listings.ebay.com/Automobilia_Steering-Wheels-
Knobs_W0QQfclZ3QQfcoZ1QQsacatZ74723QQsocmdZListingItemList [/quote:207a382e53] Cool..Ill look for one of those spring
loaded retracting knobs. [quote:207a382e53] Regarding that stand for the horz mill, do you have any suggestions as to
configuration? I was going to make it a regular flared-leg thang and put casters on it, but I'm wondering if I _should_
mount casters or not. I haven't seen it run yet and don't know how much effort goes into the manual table shifting.
I'll get the drill press and bandsaw running first, or vice versa. [/quote:207a382e53] Id put it on something with wheel
locks or fixed base. Gunner [quote:207a382e53] - If the gods had meant us to vote, they'd have given us candidates.
-------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming [/quote:207a382e53] "If I'm going to reach
out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around." "Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001
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Posted by Larry Jaques on Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:50 PM Post subject: Re: WTB: Drill Press Handles
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:58:50 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> quickly
quoth: [quote:3fba1d9b56]On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:08:48 GMT, "Dave August" august@NOSPAMacmesi.com> wrote:
I vote for JCWhitney, I've alwasy wanted a naked woman suicide knob on my drill press.. LOL... --.- Dave A quick trip
to Pep Boys will find a knobbie or two. Then there is always the wonderful JCWhitney catalog for alll kinds of
knobbies. How about a set of hand grenades for knobs? Where DOES one get a suicide knob these days? Im gonna need one
for the forklift. [/quote:3fba1d9b56] eBay, of course. I had one on my first car, a '57 chebby BelAir 4dht. It had at
least a 20" wheel and needed every BIT of it. Be sure you mount it on the inside diameter so the outside is free to
spin between your mitts. DAMHIKT (But it didn't break any fingers.) http://collectibles.listings.ebay.com/
Automobilia_Steering-Wheels-Knobs_W0QQfclZ3QQfcoZ1QQsacatZ74723QQsocmdZListingItemList Regarding that stand for the
horz mill, do you have any suggestions as to configuration? I was going to make it a regular flared-leg thang and put
casters on it, but I'm wondering if I _should_ mount casters or not. I haven't seen it run yet and don't know how much
effort goes into the manual table shifting. I'll get the drill press and bandsaw running first, or vice versa. - If the
gods had meant us to vote, they'd have given us candidates. --------------
http://diversify.com Website Application Programming
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Posted by Gunner on Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:58 AM Post subject: Re: WTB: Drill Press Handles
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:08:48 GMT, "Dave August" <august@NOSPAMacmesi.com> wrote: [quote:8916c2839d]I
vote for JCWhitney, I've alwasy wanted a naked woman suicide knob on my drill press.. LOL... --.- Dave A quick trip
to Pep Boys will find a knobbie or two. Then there is always the wonderful JCWhitney catalog for alll kinds of
knobbies. How about a set of hand grenades for knobs? Where DOES one get a suicide knob these days? Im gonna need one
for[/quote:8916c2839d] the forklift. Gunner "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." "Democrat. In the
dictionary it's right after demobilize and right before demode` (out of fashion). -Buddy Jordan 2001
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Posted by Dave August on Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:08 AM Post subject: Re: WTB: Drill Press Handles
I vote for JCWhitney, I've alwasy wanted a naked woman suicide knob on my drill press.. LOL... --.- Dave
[quote:e32da27021]A quick trip to Pep Boys will find a knobbie or two. Then there is always the wonderful JCWhitney
catalog for alll kinds of knobbies. How about a set of hand grenades for knobs? [/quote:e32da27021]
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View entire thread: CHRISTHOOD 101: I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH REINCARNATED!!
Posted by Bob on Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:40 PM Post subject: Re: CHRISTHOOD 101: I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH REINCARNATED!!
"Bev CC Archer" <barch@clammy.com> wrote in message news:a129j.sn8.19.1@news.alt.net...
[quote:084f6b4eef] "Bob" <bob@bobs.com> wrote in message
news:uhgNg.40680$8j3.17152@twister.nyroc.rr.com... "Bev CC Archer" <barch@clammy.com> wrote in message
news:a09om.22r.19.1@news.alt.net... What did that poor, poor cottage cheese ever do to you? I haven't talked about
this for many years, but, I feel as though you're my best friend in the whole world. Anyway, I was about 6 yrs old and
visiting my Aunt Mary, who drove a semi-trailer truck, usually hauling livestock of some sort. She always smelled funny,
funny yukky, not funny haha. Aunt Mary was trying on some overalls and was bent over, with her ass and beaver right in
my face. I had never seen a big lady naked before and got up really close for a good look. At that exact moment Aunt
Mary let out simultaneous pussy and ass farts. I saw the cottage cheese flying out of her and was frozen in horror as it
splattered all over my face and body. Aunt Mary took one look at me and starting laughing, which made more cheese spurt
out of that black hole. She helped clean me up and explained the dangers of chlamydia to me. I spent that summer hauling
livestock with Aunt Mary and meeting many of her friends. A few years ago my Aunt Mary was trampled to death by some
cows she was hauling. I love stories about woman truck drivers... Please tell us another one. With, or without
cottage cheese? [/quote:084f6b4eef] ??? Are there woman truck drivers without cottage cheese ???
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Posted by Bev CC Archer on Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:17 PM Post subject: Re: CHRISTHOOD 101: I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH REINCARNATED!!
"Bob" <bob@bobs.com> wrote in message news:uhgNg.40680$8j3.17152@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[quote:1e8c021478] "Bev CC Archer" <barch@clammy.com> wrote in message
news:a09om.22r.19.1@news.alt.net... What did that poor, poor cottage cheese ever do to you? I haven't talked about
this for many years, but, I feel as though you're my best friend in the whole world. Anyway, I was about 6 yrs old and
visiting my Aunt Mary, who drove a semi-trailer truck, usually hauling livestock of some sort. She always smelled funny,
funny yukky, not funny haha. Aunt Mary was trying on some overalls and was bent over, with her ass and beaver right in
my face. I had never seen a big lady naked before and got up really close for a good look. At that exact moment Aunt
Mary let out simultaneous pussy and ass farts. I saw the cottage cheese flying out of her and was frozen in horror as it
splattered all over my face and body. Aunt Mary took one look at me and starting laughing, which made more cheese spurt
out of that black hole. She helped clean me up and explained the dangers of chlamydia to me. I spent that summer hauling
livestock with Aunt Mary and meeting many of her friends. A few years ago my Aunt Mary was trampled to death by some
cows she was hauling. I love stories about woman truck drivers... Please tell us another one. With, or without
cottage cheese?[/quote:1e8c021478]
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Posted by Bob on Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:37 PM Post subject: Re: CHRISTHOOD 101: I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH REINCARNATED!!
"Bev CC Archer" <barch@clammy.com> wrote in message news:a09om.22r.19.1@news.alt.net...
[quote:fe33f4afa7] What did that poor, poor cottage cheese ever do to you? I haven't talked about this for many years,
but, I feel as though you're my best friend in the whole world. Anyway, I was about 6 yrs old and visiting my Aunt Mary,
who drove a semi-trailer truck, usually hauling livestock of some sort. She always smelled funny, funny yukky, not funny
haha. Aunt Mary was trying on some overalls and was bent over, with her ass and beaver right in my face. I had never
seen a big lady naked before and got up really close for a good look. At that exact moment Aunt Mary let out
simultaneous pussy and ass farts. I saw the cottage cheese flying out of her and was frozen in horror as it splattered
all over my face and body. Aunt Mary took one look at me and starting laughing, which made more cheese spurt out of that
black hole. She helped clean me up and explained the dangers of chlamydia to me. I spent that summer hauling livestock
with Aunt Mary and meeting many of her friends. A few years ago my Aunt Mary was trampled to death by some cows she was
hauling. [/quote:fe33f4afa7] I love stories about woman truck drivers... Please tell us another one.
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View entire thread: CHRISTHOOD 101: I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH REINCARNATED!!
Posted by Bev CC Archer on Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:18 PM Post subject: Re: CHRISTHOOD 101: I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH REINCARNATED!!
"Chadwick Stone©" <chad_stone@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:o08Ng.236673$TP1.187122@fe04.news.easynews.com... [quote:500e498db5]X-No-Archive: YES Bev CC Archer
[barch@clammy.com] has entered into testimony 9uslq.t5d.17.1@news.alt.net "Text Medium No. 5"
<mhm29x21@meow.flonk> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.09.10.22.50.03.16641@hail.eris.flonk.meow.all.hail.discordia.meow.flonk.mockery.demon.not.really.leola...
Hail Eris! On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:41:29 +0000, tomaldrich@newshosting.com jabbered inanely: On 10-Sep-2006, "Text
Medium No. 5" wrote: Well, then you have a good reason for not wasting much sympathy or empathy on him for getting
creamed, don't you? I just report the facts as I see them, I mean Ray no harm. I mean him only mockery and ridicule.
Let's cover him with female cottage cheese. What did that poor, poor cottage cheese ever do to you? I haven't talked
about this for many years, but, I feel as though you're my[/quote:500e498db5] best friend in the whole world. Anyway, I
was about 6 yrs old and visiting my Aunt Mary, who drove a semi-trailer truck, usually hauling livestock of some sort.
She always smelled funny, funny yukky, not funny haha. Aunt Mary was trying on some overalls and was bent over, with her
ass and beaver right in my face. I had never seen a big lady naked before and got up really close for a good look. At
that exact moment Aunt Mary let out simultaneous pussy and ass farts. I saw the cottage cheese flying out of her and was
frozen in horror as it splattered all over my face and body. Aunt Mary took one look at me and starting laughing, which
made more cheese spurt out of that black hole. She helped clean me up and explained the dangers of chlamydia to me. I
spent that summer hauling livestock with Aunt Mary and meeting many of her friends. A few years ago my Aunt Mary was
trampled to death by some cows she was hauling.
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View entire thread: OT - Preconceptions
Posted by robw on Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:40 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Preconceptions
Why would I have to take a drug test to rub your face in your lies? Are YOU high? Moron. "Gunner"
<gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:8kcmb29apbu1913aa99p6oiu2qod1m22s6@4ax.com... [quote:a70dbd1ca3]On
Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:00:03 -0400, "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote: I will. Gonna pass that piss
test and the mental health assessment you will be required to submit to? EG>...think hard, pothead..if you can.
Gunner "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:fgjjb2diis9536rb8h68d95j7h3ftbq84b@4ax.com... On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:49:24 -0400, "robw"
<noddy093@comcast.net wrote: You really don't know what "simple threats" are. You're soon to find out.
??? Is this some secret Pagan ritual where you sacrifice a chicken to Santa Ria and call down a case of Limp Dick on
your opponent? Or do you and your coven dance naked around a bush and exhort maldictions on your enemy? Remember the
white magic /bad kharma issues if deciding to go that route. Remember Merlin. You are drifting even farther towards
Extreme Buffoonery, Robby. What...the skank not giving you any and the tiny bit of testosterone you can work up is
poisoning your brain cell? Btw..the Feds have had a file on me since 1968. Yet I keep passing security clearances
every couple years. Shrug...take your best shot Robby boy. I think that covers all the bases nicely. Gunner
"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:1pdhb2dheo7soscmvok47nnrvfi381b6n9@4ax.com... On
Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:50:44 GMT, pyotr filipivich phamp@mindspring.com> wrote: Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but
Gunner gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net wrote on Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:09:26 GMT in misc.survivalism : When has torture ever
worked? When has torture been acceptable? When did we torture some one and get valuable intelligence? Torture never
works, the victim will say anything to make the pain stop. Torture Always works. The problem with it is that you have
to mine the gold out of all the other trash that comes out. And thats not always easy do do. Which is why when you are
being tortured..you simply tell em what they want to know right from the start. This makes it easier on you, on them and
they will go easier on you, perhaps kill you quicker. Before they turn you into a mewling bag of meat. Of course, that
presupposes that the intent of the torture is to get you to talk. If 'they' intend to punish you, or make you an
example, or just get their jollies, then you are SOL. You'll still talk, but it will be as a secondary issue to the main
program. Very much true. I object to torture for the harm it does to those performing the torture (both the
individuals and the society). That said, gentle person sleep safe in their beds because, in their stead, rough men [who
are not just those lacking in table manners, but those who are 'mean SOBs' despite all attempts to pacify them. I
recall Churchill describing Lord Lovat "the mildest-mannered man that ever scuttled a ship or cut a throat."
but Have more in mind the individuals who best serve their society by taking their propensity for mayhem and destruction
"elsewhere". Say, to the lands of that society's enemies.] are willing to do violence in dark places. tschus
pyotr Indeed. Ive not put my stamp of approval on torture, far from it..its a tool of expediency and last resort. But
properly done..it can be very effective. As can the simple threat of it. Or witnessing it. Particularly the more
gruesome varieties. "Rat Hotel" is devilish, ingenious and very very effective. Gunner The aim of untold
millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few
decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and
admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses,
complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse
of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for
someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in
England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war
years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the
British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, The aim of
untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the
past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy
independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant
whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete
as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple,[/quote:a70dbd1ca3]
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Posted by Cliff on Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:01 PM Post subject: Re: OT - Preconceptions
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:33:33 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote: [quote:e408345578]dance naked around a
bush [/quote:e408345578] PLEASE keep poor little Monica out of this !!! And the thought of Condi or Coulter is just
revolting. -- Clif
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Posted by Gunner on Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:48 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Preconceptions
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:00:03 -0400, "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote: [quote:ca8617398d]I will.
[/quote:ca8617398d] Gonna pass that piss test and the mental health assessment you will be required to submit to?
<EG>...think hard, pothead..if you can. Gunner [quote:ca8617398d] "Gunner"
<gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:fgjjb2diis9536rb8h68d95j7h3ftbq84b@4ax.com... On Sat, 15 Jul 2006
23:49:24 -0400, "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote: You really don't know what "simple
threats" are. You're soon to find out. ??? Is this some secret Pagan ritual where you sacrifice a chicken to
Santa Ria and call down a case of Limp Dick on your opponent? Or do you and your coven dance naked around a bush and
exhort maldictions on your enemy? Remember the white magic /bad kharma issues if deciding to go that route. Remember
Merlin. You are drifting even farther towards Extreme Buffoonery, Robby. What...the skank not giving you any and the
tiny bit of testosterone you can work up is poisoning your brain cell? Btw..the Feds have had a file on me since 1968.
Yet I keep passing security clearances every couple years. Shrug...take your best shot Robby boy. I think that covers
all the bases nicely. Gunner "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:1pdhb2dheo7soscmvok47nnrvfi381b6n9@4ax.com... On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:50:44 GMT, pyotr filipivich
phamp@mindspring.com> wrote: Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net wrote on Fri,
14 Jul 2006 15:09:26 GMT in misc.survivalism : When has torture ever worked? When has torture been acceptable? When
did we torture some one and get valuable intelligence? Torture never works, the victim will say anything to make the
pain stop. Torture Always works. The problem with it is that you have to mine the gold out of all the other trash
that comes out. And thats not always easy do do. Which is why when you are being tortured..you simply tell em what
they want to know right from the start. This makes it easier on you, on them and they will go easier on you, perhaps
kill you quicker. Before they turn you into a mewling bag of meat. Of course, that presupposes that the intent of the
torture is to get you to talk. If 'they' intend to punish you, or make you an example, or just get their jollies, then
you are SOL. You'll still talk, but it will be as a secondary issue to the main program. Very much true. I object to
torture for the harm it does to those performing the torture (both the individuals and the society). That said, gentle
person sleep safe in their beds because, in their stead, rough men [who are not just those lacking in table manners, but
those who are 'mean SOBs' despite all attempts to pacify them. I recall Churchill describing Lord Lovat "the
mildest-mannered man that ever scuttled a ship or cut a throat." but Have more in mind the individuals who best
serve their society by taking their propensity for mayhem and destruction "elsewhere". Say, to the lands of
that society's enemies.] are willing to do violence in dark places. tschus pyotr Indeed. Ive not put my stamp of
approval on torture, far from it..its a tool of expediency and last resort. But properly done..it can be very effective.
As can the simple threat of it. Or witnessing it. Particularly the more gruesome varieties. "Rat Hotel" is
devilish, ingenious and very very effective. Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they
choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English
through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The
collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple,
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy
independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant
whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete
as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, [/quote:ca8617398d] The aim of untold millions is to be free to
do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and
distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that
carried the English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and
special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British
power. Theodore Dalrymple,
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View entire thread: OT - Preconceptions
Posted by robw on Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:00 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Preconceptions
I will. "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:fgjjb2diis9536rb8h68d95j7h3ftbq84b@4ax.com... [quote:e4b926f64a]On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:49:24 -0400,
"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote: You really don't know what "simple threats" are. You're
soon to find out. ??? Is this some secret Pagan ritual where you sacrifice a chicken to Santa Ria and call down a case
of Limp Dick on your opponent? Or do you and your coven dance naked around a bush and exhort maldictions on your enemy?
Remember the white magic /bad kharma issues if deciding to go that route. Remember Merlin. You are drifting even
farther towards Extreme Buffoonery, Robby. What...the skank not giving you any and the tiny bit of testosterone you can
work up is poisoning your brain cell? Btw..the Feds have had a file on me since 1968. Yet I keep passing security
clearances every couple years. Shrug...take your best shot Robby boy. I think that covers all the bases nicely.
Gunner "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:1pdhb2dheo7soscmvok47nnrvfi381b6n9@4ax.com... On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:50:44 GMT, pyotr filipivich
phamp@mindspring.com> wrote: Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net wrote on Fri,
14 Jul 2006 15:09:26 GMT in misc.survivalism : When has torture ever worked? When has torture been acceptable? When
did we torture some one and get valuable intelligence? Torture never works, the victim will say anything to make the
pain stop. Torture Always works. The problem with it is that you have to mine the gold out of all the other trash
that comes out. And thats not always easy do do. Which is why when you are being tortured..you simply tell em what
they want to know right from the start. This makes it easier on you, on them and they will go easier on you, perhaps
kill you quicker. Before they turn you into a mewling bag of meat. Of course, that presupposes that the intent of the
torture is to get you to talk. If 'they' intend to punish you, or make you an example, or just get their jollies, then
you are SOL. You'll still talk, but it will be as a secondary issue to the main program. Very much true. I object to
torture for the harm it does to those performing the torture (both the individuals and the society). That said, gentle
person sleep safe in their beds because, in their stead, rough men [who are not just those lacking in table manners, but
those who are 'mean SOBs' despite all attempts to pacify them. I recall Churchill describing Lord Lovat "the
mildest-mannered man that ever scuttled a ship or cut a throat." but Have more in mind the individuals who best
serve their society by taking their propensity for mayhem and destruction "elsewhere". Say, to the lands of
that society's enemies.] are willing to do violence in dark places. tschus pyotr Indeed. Ive not put my stamp of
approval on torture, far from it..its a tool of expediency and last resort. But properly done..it can be very effective.
As can the simple threat of it. Or witnessing it. Particularly the more gruesome varieties. "Rat Hotel" is
devilish, ingenious and very very effective. Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they
choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English
through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The
collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple,
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy
independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant
whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete
as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple,[/quote:e4b926f64a]
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View entire thread: OT - Preconceptions
Posted by Gunner on Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:33 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Preconceptions
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:49:24 -0400, "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote: [quote:6ac362cad8]You really
don't know what "simple threats" are. You're soon to find out. [/quote:6ac362cad8] ??? Is this some secret
Pagan ritual where you sacrifice a chicken to Santa Ria and call down a case of Limp Dick on your opponent? Or do you
and your coven dance naked around a bush and exhort maldictions on your enemy? Remember the white magic /bad kharma
issues if deciding to go that route. Remember Merlin. You are drifting even farther towards Extreme Buffoonery, Robby.
What...the skank not giving you any and the tiny bit of testosterone you can work up is poisoning your brain cell?
Btw..the Feds have had a file on me since 1968. Yet I keep passing security clearances every couple years.
Shrug...take your best shot Robby boy. I think that covers all the bases nicely. Gunner [quote:6ac362cad8]
"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:1pdhb2dheo7soscmvok47nnrvfi381b6n9@4ax.com... On
Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:50:44 GMT, pyotr filipivich phamp@mindspring.com> wrote: Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but
Gunner gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net wrote on Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:09:26 GMT in misc.survivalism : When has torture ever
worked? When has torture been acceptable? When did we torture some one and get valuable intelligence? Torture never
works, the victim will say anything to make the pain stop. Torture Always works. The problem with it is that you have
to mine the gold out of all the other trash that comes out. And thats not always easy do do. Which is why when you are
being tortured..you simply tell em what they want to know right from the start. This makes it easier on you, on them and
they will go easier on you, perhaps kill you quicker. Before they turn you into a mewling bag of meat. Of course, that
presupposes that the intent of the torture is to get you to talk. If 'they' intend to punish you, or make you an
example, or just get their jollies, then you are SOL. You'll still talk, but it will be as a secondary issue to the main
program. Very much true. I object to torture for the harm it does to those performing the torture (both the
individuals and the society). That said, gentle person sleep safe in their beds because, in their stead, rough men [who
are not just those lacking in table manners, but those who are 'mean SOBs' despite all attempts to pacify them. I
recall Churchill describing Lord Lovat "the mildest-mannered man that ever scuttled a ship or cut a throat."
but Have more in mind the individuals who best serve their society by taking their propensity for mayhem and destruction
"elsewhere". Say, to the lands of that society's enemies.] are willing to do violence in dark places. tschus
pyotr Indeed. Ive not put my stamp of approval on torture, far from it..its a tool of expediency and last resort. But
properly done..it can be very effective. As can the simple threat of it. Or witnessing it. Particularly the more
gruesome varieties. "Rat Hotel" is devilish, ingenious and very very effective. Gunner The aim of untold
millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few
decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and
admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses,
complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse
of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, [/quote:6ac362cad8] The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as
they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive
psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the
English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading.
The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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View entire thread: Fusing fusing fusing
Posted by Kalera on Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:25 PM Post subject: Re: Fusing fusing fusing
royaltd97@yahoo.com wrote: [quote:f71b8439cd]We don't care...what we do care about is some pics of you and your thong.
[/quote:f71b8439cd] Hah! Hey, is that, um, a naked Playboy Bunny over there? <running away> -- -Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com http://www.bridgetownglass.com On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe
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View entire thread: TIDBITS 08/06/06
Posted by Benjamin Mark on Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:07 AM Post subject: TIDBITS 08/06/06
If any of you want Tidbits emailed directly, let me know and I'll take care of it. Tidbits may be reprinted without
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====================================== Oni ... Converted and Unconverted. How does one call an Oni. I imagine it
would be: Yo Oni! C'mere. So Oni ambles over ... and now what does one do with him? What .... in fact ... one might well
ask ... is an Oni? An Oni is .... Oni ... Japanese devils. They are depicted in many sizes and colors. There are tiny
little Oni and there are enormous Ogre Oni--bigger even than Shrek--who serve as Temple Guardians. They are fierce and
evil looking. They have two horns. They have pointed ears. They have protruding fangs. They have glaring, hateful,
malignant eyes. They have three fingers on each hand and three toes on each foot and each appendage is well-clawed. They
have muscular human-like bodies and they are always naked ... except for a tiger-skin loincloth which surely covers an
unthinkable organ too grotesque for the human eye to ponder. Of course ... I could be wrong on this last issue ... but
who's going to go look? Unlike our western devils however ... Oni do not have tails. Quaint ... eh wot? Though there
are many Oni ... three are well known. There is the Oni of thunder and lightning. There is the Oni of winds and storms.
And there is the Oni of seas and tides. None of these were pleasant chaps. But here's the kick of it all. Spiritual
redemption was available to all Oni. I tend to think of the ceremony a bit the same way I think of a Bris. The road to
conversion involved the removal of a body part. The path to Buddhism and redemption entailed the sawing off of Oni's
horns. You want to convert ... something's got to go. In any case ... once de-horned ... Oni were allowed to enter the
monkhood. Oh the joy of it all. The pure ecstasy. Off with the horns ... on with the monkery. But there's a problem. I
have an image of two Oni. Image on the left is ceramic. Image on the right is bronze and gold. Look closely. The guy on
the left is miserable. He's been converted. He's unhappy. He may well be able to now become a monk ... but he's lost
his horns in the process. Poor li'l tyke. So ... in any case ... the moral of this story ... don't try to make an Oni--
or anyone else for that matter--into something they are not ... because if you do ... they will put on an ugly face ...
and really look like an Oni. For those of you who are new to this thing called Tidbits...may I direct you to my home
page at www.tyler-adam.com where you will scroll down the left side menu till you get to the area that says Current
Tidbits ... and then click on it in order to view a pair of Japanese Oni which were often worn as good luck charms.
And there ya have it. That's it for this week folks. Catch you all next week. Benjamin Mark All issues of Tidbits are
copyrighted and available from our home page. All rights reserved.
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View entire thread: TIDBITS 08/06/06
Posted by Benjamin Mark on Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:34 PM Post subject: TIDBITS 08/06/06
If any of you want Tidbits emailed directly, let me know and I'll take care of it. Tidbits may be reprinted without
charge -- with attribution. Additionally, if you know of anyone who you think would enjoy Tidbits, please make them
aware of us. URL (http://www.tyler-adam.com). We encourage you to forward this email to friends and colleagues.
====================================== Oni ... Converted and Unconverted. How does one call an Oni. I imagine it
would be: Yo Oni! C'mere. So Oni ambles over ... and now what does one do with him? What .... in fact ... one might well
ask ... is an Oni? An Oni is .... Oni ... Japanese devils. They are depicted in many sizes and colors. There are tiny
little Oni and there are enormous Ogre Oni--bigger even than Shrek--who serve as Temple Guardians. They are fierce and
evil looking. They have two horns. They have pointed ears. They have protruding fangs. They have glaring, hateful,
malignant eyes. They have three fingers on each hand and three toes on each foot and each appendage is well-clawed. They
have muscular human-like bodies and they are always naked ... except for a tiger-skin loincloth which surely covers an
unthinkable organ too grotesque for the human eye to ponder. Of course ... I could be wrong on this last issue ... but
who's going to go look? Unlike our western devils however ... Oni do not have tails. Quaint ... eh wot? Though there
are many Oni ... three are well known. There is the Oni of thunder and lightning. There is the Oni of winds and storms.
And there is the Oni of seas and tides. None of these were pleasant chaps. But here's the kick of it all. Spiritual
redemption was available to all Oni. I tend to think of the ceremony a bit the same way I think of a Bris. The road to
conversion involved the removal of a body part. The path to Buddhism and redemption entailed the sawing off of Oni's
horns. You want to convert ... something's got to go. In any case ... once de-horned ... Oni were allowed to enter the
monkhood. Oh the joy of it all. The pure ecstasy. Off with the horns ... on with the monkery. But there's a problem. I
have an image of two Oni. Image on the left is ceramic. Image on the right is bronze and gold. Look closely. The guy on
the left is miserable. He's been converted. He's unhappy. He may well be able to now become a monk ... but he's lost
his horns in the process. Poor li'l tyke. So ... in any case ... the moral of this story ... don't try to make an Oni--
or anyone else for that matter--into something they are not ... because if you do ... they will put on an ugly face ...
and really look like an Oni. For those of you who are new to this thing called Tidbits...may I direct you to my home
page at www.tyler-adam.com where you will scroll down the left side menu till you get to the area that says Current
Tidbits ... and then click on it in order to view a pair of Japanese Oni which were often worn as good luck charms.
And there ya have it. That's it for this week folks. Catch you all next week. Benjamin Mark All issues of Tidbits are
copyrighted and available from our home page. All rights reserved.
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View entire thread: TIDBITS 08/06/06
Posted by Benjamin Mark on Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:36 PM Post subject: TIDBITS 08/06/06
If any of you want Tidbits emailed directly, let me know and I'll take care of it. Tidbits may be reprinted without
charge -- with attribution. Additionally, if you know of anyone who you think would enjoy Tidbits, please make them
aware of us. URL (http://www.tyler-adam.com). We encourage you to forward this email to friends and colleagues.
====================================== Oni ... Converted and Unconverted. How does one call an Oni. I imagine it
would be: Yo Oni! C'mere. So Oni ambles over ... and now what does one do with him? What .... in fact ... one might well
ask ... is an Oni? An Oni is .... Oni ... Japanese devils. They are depicted in many sizes and colors. There are tiny
little Oni and there are enormous Ogre Oni--bigger even than Shrek--who serve as Temple Guardians. They are fierce and
evil looking. They have two horns. They have pointed ears. They have protruding fangs. They have glaring, hateful,
malignant eyes. They have three fingers on each hand and three toes on each foot and each appendage is well-clawed. They
have muscular human-like bodies and they are always naked ... except for a tiger-skin loincloth which surely covers an
unthinkable organ too grotesque for the human eye to ponder. Of course ... I could be wrong on this last issue ... but
who's going to go look? Unlike our western devils however ... Oni do not have tails. Quaint ... eh wot? Though there
are many Oni ... three are well known. There is the Oni of thunder and lightning. There is the Oni of winds and storms.
And there is the Oni of seas and tides. None of these were pleasant chaps. But here's the kick of it all. Spiritual
redemption was available to all Oni. I tend to think of the ceremony a bit the same way I think of a Bris. The road to
conversion involved the removal of a body part. The path to Buddhism and redemption entailed the sawing off of Oni's
horns. You want to convert ... something's got to go. In any case ... once de-horned ... Oni were allowed to enter the
monkhood. Oh the joy of it all. The pure ecstasy. Off with the horns ... on with the monkery. But there's a problem. I
have an image of two Oni. Image on the left is ceramic. Image on the right is bronze and gold. Look closely. The guy on
the left is miserable. He's been converted. He's unhappy. He may well be able to now become a monk ... but he's lost
his horns in the process. Poor li'l tyke. So ... in any case ... the moral of this story ... don't try to make an Oni--
or anyone else for that matter--into something they are not ... because if you do ... they will put on an ugly face ...
and really look like an Oni. For those of you who are new to this thing called Tidbits...may I direct you to my home
page at www.tyler-adam.com where you will scroll down the left side menu till you get to the area that says Current
Tidbits ... and then click on it in order to view a pair of Japanese Oni which were often worn as good luck charms.
And there ya have it. That's it for this week folks. Catch you all next week. Benjamin Mark All issues of Tidbits are
copyrighted and available from our home page. All rights reserved.
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View entire thread: Also Click-Worthy....
Posted by Kathy on Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:50 PM Post subject: Re: Also Click-Worthy....
That is very nice. It's a very Becki design. KathyH <beckibead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152912679.667965.65320@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quote:dac11b7304]I have gone back to this two days in a
row and something about it really speaks to me. I believe it is the SILVER (yes the larimar also):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Necklace-Large-Aquamarine-Pearl-Bali-Silver_W0QQi[/quote:dac11b7304]
temZ220006484089QQihZ012QQcategoryZ110658QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [quote:dac11b7304] I really love that necklace. Would
like to be naked in it. Becki [/quote:dac11b7304]
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View entire thread: Also Click-Worthy....
Posted by Anonymous on Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:31 PM Post subject: Also Click-Worthy....
I have gone back to this two days in a row and something about it really speaks to me. I believe it is the SILVER (yes
the larimar also): http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Necklace-Large-Aquamarine-Pearl-Bali-
Silver_W0QQitemZ220006484089QQihZ012QQcategoryZ110658QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I really love that necklace. Would like to
be naked in it. Becki
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View entire thread: My Mother's Necklace is getting published
Posted by Scout Lady on Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:59 PM Post subject: Re: My Mother's Necklace is getting published
"a-scrapbooking-diva" <happy2scrapbook@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1162080983.230688.61820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:73a02b6e2b]HI. Surprises abounded in my inbox
today. I wrote the women who made the focal point bead on my mother's necklace to say how my necklace came out. They
wrote back and want to publish it in their marketing paperwork. I'm getting $1,500 for my image. I'm also getting
published on their website once they update it (www.beadladies.com) with two of my business links. $1500
bucks.........do you have to pose naked in it or what?[/quote:73a02b6e2b] Good for you and it looks like now you can
get the scanner or printer or desk that you wanted and still have money left over for the house fund.
[quote:73a02b6e2b]I'm so excited. Here's the necklace that made it: http://home-and-
garden.webshots.com/photo/2748055200032555428XIawgv Kate {{running to the bank to deposit the money into the house
fund}}} [/quote:73a02b6e2b]
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View entire thread: Diamonds New Venture: Feedback Requested
Posted by diamonds1848 on Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:20 AM Post subject: Diamonds New Venture: Feedback Requested
I would like to receive your feedback on new diamond service that I have developed recently. When answering, please
mention whether you are a jewelers or a consumer. It is a service for inscribing high-resolution data on diamonds using
a patented technology (Focused Ion Beam = FIB) that has multiple key advantages over the current laser inscription one:
- Higher amount of data. The spot size is 1000 times smaller than a laser. A laser is then limited to letters,
characters, simple logo. This new technology can inscribe high-resolution data. For example it can inscribe: pictures,
Chinese characters, high-resolution brand, data such as music/video (on 1mm2, 62,000 Gigabytes can be stored = 10,000
DVDs!). - No damages on the diamond (a laser would engrave about 10 microns deep). - Inscription truly lasts forever.
Laser inscription can be seen with the graphite (black) inside each letter/number. Over time or after cleaning the
diamond, it would fade away. - These FIB inscriptions would not only personalize the diamond, but also provide peace of
mind as the inscription is not easily reproducible. Other features of this new service are: - The image can only be
removed by polishing the diamond. This is possible without remove even 1/100 point of the diamond. - The inscription is
invisible to the naked eye and can only be seen with a viewer. - A small and portable viewer is provided with the
service. Seeing the image on the diamond is as easy as pushing one button. - The image can be in grayscale or in color.
- The data can be inscribed on any gems or substrate, not just diamond (ruby, emerald, pearl, etc.). - Inscription can
be done on lose or mounted stones. Some of the markets I was thinking about are: - Market 1: Family stones market.
Inscribe a picture/poem/messages/music/movie file from great grand-mother, grand mother or mother before she transmits
it to her daughter. It can be done multiple times from generation to generation. It is possible to inscribe these images
side by side on the same diamond (up to 300,000 images!). There would be a "family tree" on the stone. Their
memory would last forever. This is the first time such "eternal memory" concept would be provided. - Market 2:
Bridal market. Inscribe the couple picture on the diamond with poem/date/marriage certificate/etc. - Market 3: Religious
diamonds market. Inscribe image of a god or any religious pattern on the diamond. - Market 4: Security Market.
Inscribe/encode large amount of data on a substrate. - Market 5: Jewelers market: all of the diamond information could
be on the stone itself instead of a certificate number that refers to a document. The inclusions, date, quality, etc.
could be all inscribed and read on the diamond directly. The answers I would like to have particularly are: - Do you
think there would be any traction these markets? Which one? Why? Why not? - For a specific market, what segment do you
think would have the highest chance to be economically viable? - What are the negative/positive forces to make a
specific market segment succeed? - For a given market where you think it can be economically viable, how much do you
think this service should be? - Do you think this service could be applicable to any other market not listed above? -
Would you like to integrate this service in your business? - If you are aware of a specialist I could contact to become
more aware of the potential for a specific market, please feel free to send me the contact information. Please feel
free to contact me for any additional information. E Diamonds1848@yahoo.com
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View entire thread: OT - Snow, wind, snow, snow and RAIN!!
Posted by ~KK in BC~ on Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:16 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Snow, wind, snow, snow and RAIN!!
OMG LOL!! Oh it does NOT mean gettin nekkid!! <blushing here> Buff. Toned. Muscles. In shape. In the buff means
you are buck naked. Getting buff means you will look good nekkid! ~KK in BC~ who is NOT gonna be nekkid in temps of
-20C ( -4F ) I am a tough Canadian but NOT THAT TOUGH!! <lol> "polly esther"
<misterclean@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:ZiV3h.3482$0r.2888@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... :I know
you'll forgive me, KK, but the difference in our language : understanding or misunderstanding is such fun to me on this
group. For : example, I'm told that you better say 'Missouree' or 'Missourah' depending : on which side of Missouri
you're on. I have no idea which side of Missouri : I'm on or which side you're on. : However. : "Getting
buff" here in the Swamp means getting quite naked. : I do hope you're not doing that shoveling 4 feet of snow.
: We know just nothing about shoveling snow and will yield to your best : judgment. Polly : : "~KK in BC~"
<koffeekupz@hotmail.com> wrote in message : news:j2U3h.95959$E67.6468@clgrps13... : > As if over four feet of
snow falling on us wasn't bad enough, now its : > raining!!!!!! They haven't cleared any streets here in town and
they are a : > total mess! I can hardly drive my little Ranger anywhere because of the : > snow : > and ice
and now....... RAIN! Freezing rain on top of all that snow and all : > that ice and this is fair?? : > On the
plus side, I am getting very buff from all that shoveling LOL. : > : > ARGH!!! : > : > Things just aren't
good around here. My husband had his vehicle stolen, : > they : > wrote it off and gave us a pittance, now we are
down to one small truck : > that : > wont even hold all of us and is pretty useless in the snow. My FIL had a :
> heart attack just over a week ago, they had to do the balloon thingy and : > then gave him a pace maker so my
husband is as I type, on a bus down to : > Calgary to look after him for a few days. (over 12 hours on the bus) My :
> son's girlfriends' grandfather passed away suddenly so when they were up : > here visiting they only got a few
hours to visit :-( and they had to rush : > home on the bus. : > : > Do you think I have had my fair share of
bad luck yet? LOL : > : > Ok, just needed a bit of a rant. Whew!! I feel better now :-D : > : > And to add
just a bit of ON topic here: : > Happy dances to all of you and your wonderful quilty-ness! I am still not : >
able to sew due to the mass chaos happening (I did however get most of the : > sewer issue put behind me now LOL)
but reading the group keeps me on track : > and wanting to get my butt in my sewing chair and hear the soothing purr
: > of : > my old Kenmore. : > : > ~KK in BC~ who is also job hunting... wish me luck LOL I think I need
some : > GOOD stuff now ;-) : > : > : > : > : :
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Posted by polly esther on Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:01 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Snow, wind, snow, snow and RAIN!!
I know you'll forgive me, KK, but the difference in our language understanding or misunderstanding is such fun to me on
this group. For example, I'm told that you better say 'Missouree' or 'Missourah' depending on which side of Missouri
you're on. I have no idea which side of Missouri I'm on or which side you're on. However. "Getting
buff" here in the Swamp means getting quite naked. I do hope you're not doing that shoveling 4 feet of snow.
We know just nothing about shoveling snow and will yield to your best judgment. Polly "~KK in BC~"
<koffeekupz@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:j2U3h.95959$E67.6468@clgrps13... [quote:7bbcc49f41]As if over four
feet of snow falling on us wasn't bad enough, now its raining!!!!!! They haven't cleared any streets here in town and
they are a total mess! I can hardly drive my little Ranger anywhere because of the snow and ice and now....... RAIN!
Freezing rain on top of all that snow and all that ice and this is fair?? On the plus side, I am getting very buff from
all that shoveling LOL. ARGH!!! Things just aren't good around here. My husband had his vehicle stolen, they wrote it
off and gave us a pittance, now we are down to one small truck that wont even hold all of us and is pretty useless in
the snow. My FIL had a heart attack just over a week ago, they had to do the balloon thingy and then gave him a pace
maker so my husband is as I type, on a bus down to Calgary to look after him for a few days. (over 12 hours on the bus)
My son's girlfriends' grandfather passed away suddenly so when they were up here visiting they only got a few hours to
visit :-( and they had to rush home on the bus. Do you think I have had my fair share of bad luck yet? LOL Ok, just
needed a bit of a rant. Whew!! I feel better now :-D And to add just a bit of ON topic here: Happy dances to all of you
and your wonderful quilty-ness! I am still not able to sew due to the mass chaos happening (I did however get most of
the sewer issue put behind me now LOL) but reading the group keeps me on track and wanting to get my butt in my sewing
chair and hear the soothing purr of my old Kenmore. ~KK in BC~ who is also job hunting... wish me luck LOL I think I
need some GOOD stuff now ;-) [/quote:7bbcc49f41]
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Posted by NightMist on Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:03 AM Post subject: Re: OT things I have learned while coping with the heat
Once the upstairs is done I will be able to dance naked next to the eaves if I want to. I will be able to sew naked if
I want to! Which I won't because I would worry about pins and my t^H^H^H bosom. We tossed mothballs around the attic
at the recomendation of the local boys in blue. Killed the odd smell, but now the place smells like naptha. I can cope
with that. Still gonna go over the place with a fine tooth comb to make sure there are no nasty surprises. NightMist
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:06:06 GMT, "Mystified One" <mystified.one@outerspace.com> wrote:
[quote:de68c9bd76]I promptly took off all my clothes 5 minutes after my kids left on their first day of school. In
celebration of the fact that they now cover 3 schools, I stripped, just because I could. I promptly redressed when I
realized I was missing blinds on one window. "NightMist" <nightmiste@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d0719a.23260924@news.madbbs.com... : : Running around the house in a camisole and undies is OK. : The pizza
delivery guy definitely does not mind. : Both partners are agreed that they like my sparkly red panties. : Ash also
likes my sparkly red panties. : Therefore do not run around the house in sparkly red panties because : Ash dashing up
and rubbing his face all over my bottom is entirely : disturbing. : : NightMist : -- : The wolf that understands fire
has much to eat. [/quote:de68c9bd76] -- The wolf that understands fire has much to eat.
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Posted by Taria on Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:20 PM Post subject: Re: OT things I have learned while coping with the heat
The first thing I do when I get moving in the morning is open all the window blinds/curtains. I like a bright house, no
caves for me. I'd rather be in a bright room than be naked. I had a mom that ran around half naked and I just never
wanted to do that to my kids ; ) Never worried about anyone attacking me. They'd be sorry! Taria Batik Freak wrote:
[quote:1b17d6eaca]What you do in your own home is your business; no need for clothing inside your own house. ;) L
"Toni Schneidt" <tonischneidt@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:FL2dnSxw7vK1G03ZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@insightbb.com... LOL Nightmist We, too, are having horrible heat, but I am not
brave enough to run around in my undies. We have a bunch of pervs and up-tights here. I'll either get attacked or the
police will get called. Toni / Indiana [/quote:1b17d6eaca]
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Posted by Anonymous on Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:29 AM Post subject: Re: not my auction--but incredible!
Thanks for the link to Matisse; I'll keep watching too, just to see what comes up next. It's funny to see someone
taking Barbie seriously--all my daughter's Barbies were naked and headless. Nolly
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View entire thread: What are you working on now?
Posted by Polly S. on Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:34 PM Post subject: Re: OT - Naked Mole Rat Rap Was Re: What are you working o
Kalera wrote: [quote:4c4e792246]THAT... WAS.... AWESOME!!! [/quote:4c4e792246] Isn't he cute?!? Now I've had that song
going on and on in my head ever since! That's ok though... it could be an annoying song! ;) [quote:4c4e792246]Polly
S. wrote: Kalera wrote: Whoa. Tell me more about this song/dance and I bet I can talk her into it! Polly S. wrote:
But is she going to do the naked mole rat song/dance???? :) Here are the lyrics... still looking for a mp3 or
video... http://www.littlerockzoo.com/mole-rap.htm More naked mole rat stuff: (all the world's on wiki it seems:) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_%28Kim_Possible%29 *Found it!!!!!!!* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF98QTpb3ds
Actually Rufus (naked mole rat) doesn't do the dancing, he just spends his time rescuing Ron!!! I love Rufus!
"Can I get a boo-yah? (Boo-yah!)" :) [/quote:4c4e792246] -- Polly don't spook my groove... email -
webmaster at beadfulheart dot com
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Posted by Kalera on Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:45 AM Post subject: Re: OT - Naked Mole Rat Rap Was Re: What are you working o
THAT... WAS.... AWESOME!!! Polly S. wrote: [quote:8392cbe6e4]Kalera wrote: Whoa. Tell me more about this song/dance and
I bet I can talk her into it! Polly S. wrote: But is she going to do the naked mole rat song/dance???? :) Here are
the lyrics... still looking for a mp3 or video... http://www.littlerockzoo.com/mole-rap.htm More naked mole rat stuff:
(all the world's on wiki it seems:) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_%28Kim_Possible%29 *Found it!!!!!!!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF98QTpb3ds Actually Rufus (naked mole rat) doesn't do the dancing, he just spends his
time rescuing Ron!!! I love Rufus! "Can I get a boo-yah? (Boo-yah!)" :) [/quote:8392cbe6e4] -- -Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com http://www.bridgetownglass.com On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe
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Posted by Polly S. on Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:58 AM Post subject: OT - Naked Mole Rat Rap Was Re: What are you working on no
Kalera wrote: [quote:077d224701]Whoa. Tell me more about this song/dance and I bet I can talk her into it! Polly S.
wrote: But is she going to do the naked mole rat song/dance???? :) [/quote:077d224701] Here are the lyrics... still
looking for a mp3 or video... http://www.littlerockzoo.com/mole-rap.htm More naked mole rat stuff: (all the world's on
wiki it seems:) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_%28Kim_Possible%29 *Found it!!!!!!!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF98QTpb3ds Actually Rufus (naked mole rat) doesn't do the dancing, he just spends his
time rescuing Ron!!! I love Rufus! "Can I get a boo-yah? (Boo-yah!)" :) -- Polly don't spook my
groove... email - webmaster at beadfulheart dot com
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Posted by Kalera on Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:07 AM Post subject: Re: What are you working on now?
Whoa. Tell me more about this song/dance and I bet I can talk her into it! Polly S. wrote: [quote:268d35688b]But is
she going to do the naked mole rat song/dance???? :) [/quote:268d35688b] -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.bridgetownglass.com On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe
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Posted by Polly S. on Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:28 PM Post subject: Re: What are you working on now?
Kalera wrote: [quote:4ee18b8a94]I can't wait to see your bracelet pics! I'm feeling a lot better and back to torching
full-time; I'm pretty much glued to boro at the moment. Other than that, I'm planning my garden (I didn't have one at
all this year!) and fascinated with figuring out this knotted lampwork necklace I'm obsessed with. Oh, and I'm working
on a naked mole-rat costume for my oldest. Yes, she informed me that she wants to be a naked mole-rat for Halloween! I
love that kid. :) [/quote:4ee18b8a94] But is she going to do the naked mole rat song/dance???? :) -- Polly don't
spook my groove... email - webmaster at beadfulheart dot com
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Posted by Kalera on Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:47 AM Post subject: Re: What are you working on now?
I can't wait to see your bracelet pics! I'm feeling a lot better and back to torching full-time; I'm pretty much glued
to boro at the moment. Other than that, I'm planning my garden (I didn't have one at all this year!) and fascinated
with figuring out this knotted lampwork necklace I'm obsessed with. Oh, and I'm working on a naked mole-rat costume
for my oldest. Yes, she informed me that she wants to be a naked mole-rat for Halloween! I love that kid. :) Vibrant
Jewels wrote: [quote:9cc7edd71e]Always a cool topic... what are you working on now? I've just finished a bracelet made
of opal chips - the real deal. I had ordered them from FMG and was SO disappointed b/c they looked so dowdy on the
strand. So I cut the strand and WOWZA did they pop when you looked at them from the top! There is milk opal, jelly opal
and pinfire opal all mixed together. I did a simple 3 row peyote base out of clear 7/0's and attached the opal chips to
the surface with 15's. Now I'm doing a similar technique for the necklace. Will post pics when I'm done! I just got a
lovely dichroic cab combo from Cheryl adorned with poly clay ... and I'll work on that next. It feels good to be beading
again. What about you? [/quote:9cc7edd71e] -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.bridgetownglass.com On eBay:
http://www.snurl.com/1sfe
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Posted by Jenn/Jalynne on Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:57 PM Post subject: Re: OT - Naked Mole Rat Rap Was Re: What are you working o
That's been a favorite of ours since it came out. My DD loves Kim Possible....and my DH does too. They're crazy, but
that song is awesome. -- Jenn/Jalynne quilting, beads, scrapbooking, cross stitch and other 'crafti' obsessions
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jalynne29/my_photos Live! http://kinneykreations.com "Kalera"
<kalera@strattonhome.org> wrote in message news:XdKdnWfm9uUI66zYnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
[quote:3594d4bb23]THAT... WAS.... AWESOME!!! Polly S. wrote: Kalera wrote: Whoa. Tell me more about this song/dance and
I bet I can talk her into it! Polly S. wrote: But is she going to do the naked mole rat song/dance???? :) Here are
the lyrics... still looking for a mp3 or video... http://www.littlerockzoo.com/mole-rap.htm More naked mole rat stuff:
(all the world's on wiki it seems:) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_%28Kim_Possible%29 *Found it!!!!!!!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF98QTpb3ds Actually Rufus (naked mole rat) doesn't do the dancing, he just spends his
time rescuing Ron!!! I love Rufus! "Can I get a boo-yah? (Boo-yah!)" :) -- -Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com http://www.bridgetownglass.com On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe[/quote:3594d4bb23]
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View entire thread: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
Posted by Dr. Sooz on Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:48 PM Post subject: Re: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
Like I said...........Whimbeads ROCKS. I buy nearly all of my seed beads there, and I'm a Beadweaver with a capital B.
I love them. They're really there for you, and they sell great products too. And, as Beki said, never judge all online
companies by one company. That's like saying "I'll never buy from *any* storefront again, because I got a bad piece
of fruit from one store." Huh? ```````````````````````````````` dreambeadr@aol.com wrote: [quote:5e7ce27983] Hi
Windy, My name is Beki. I own Out On A Whim aka whimbeads.com I am really sorry to hear you had an unsatisfactory
experience with us. Please let me respond to a few of your questions, then let me know what I can do to make sure you
are happy. First, no, we do not sell seconds of any kind. We've been in business for over 20 years now and pride
ourselves on the high quality of merchandise we offer. And we are always prepared to stand behind it as well. Also,
please do not assume because you got some bad beads by purchasing online that every online transaction will end the same
way. Each company online is different just as each business you pass on a street is. I am responding from home, so I
am unable to research what your order may have been for, so if you would be so kind as to let me know what stock numbers
you ordered so that I can go pull the beads from the shelf and 1) check for quality, 2) discard if need be. I would
also like to refund your money for any beads you may have received from us that are not of the quality we state we
offer. Our Japanese seed beads come from the three major manufacturers in Japan. Miyuki, Toho and Matsuno. Please
check this link I have created for people to compare these beads as well as similar beads from the Czech Republic and
France: http://www.whimbeads.com/seedbeads/seed-compare.html You can see in the enlarged scans how the beads are all
slightly different in shape and size from manufacturer to manufacturer, but they remain fairly uniform within their own
category. That being said, seed beads will never be as uniform as a cylinder bead. The process to create them is not
the same. Also, there are certain colors that tend to run a little bit "off" in size. (this really needs to
be measured with exacting means, it's hard to see with the naked eye). This is due to the various characteristics of
the glasses used; some glass is softer than other glass and will tend to expand during the creation process, and also
any finishes that may be applied to the surface of the glass, such as metallic coatings (enlarging) or matting
(reducing). You also enquired: "I just found TOHO Treasure beads at wal-mart. I looked at their website and they
say that they are same as Muyki delicas. Has anyone tried these? They were a lot cheaper than the bead shop
delicas." These two beads are made by two different companies and while there are similarities in them, there are
also some major differences. The TOHO company produces two lines of cylinder beads. The Treasure bead, their first
generation of this shape bead, and the newly released Aiko's (named after the owners beloved wife), which are the
highest level, most precision cut beads on the market to date. The Miyuki company produces the Delica bead. Their only
line of cylinder beads. This bead is the most popular on the market partly due to it being marketed at the right time
and right place, and partly because of the large color selection, close to 1000 colors now. In basic weaving
techniques, such as Peyote and Brick stitch you should be able to combine the three brands with success. However, in
more precision work, such as loom work, I would not recommend it. The subtle slight variations in the beads will show
along the edge of the loomed piece. Also, when price comparing on cylinder beads, you will also need to be aware of the
quantity the beads are being sold in. Cylinder beads come in much smaller quantities than seed beads do and are
generally offered in small gram increments. So while you compare your LBS's price to a big box stores price, be certain
your LBS isn't offering the bead in a much larger quantity. In addition, while it is my political view regarding
companies like Wal-mart selling beads, I would like to suggest that you consider supporting your local bead stores
instead. First, you will not find people at Wal-mart who can answer the important questions you may have about the
various beads, second, your LBS supports your local economy by having your tax dollars continue to circulate in your
area. Please consider taking the time to check out a few of these links regarding this issue:
http://www.localbeadstores.com http://www.beadbugle.com/html/seed_bead_aspirations_-_ten_re.html (Ten Reasons to Support
Your Local Bead Store) http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=18746&webtag=ab-
beadwork (a discussion on the About Beadwork forum about Small Bead Stores going under) I hope I was helpful in
answering your questions. And I hope you will give me the opportunity to fix any problems you may have had with your
order from us. I realize my customer service department may have already responded to you regarding this issue, but
feel free to contact me directly. I can be reached at 800-232-3111 or by email: beki at whimbeads.com or dreambeadr at
aol dot com Happy Beading! Beki http://www.whimbeads.com[/quote:5e7ce27983]
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Posted by Polly S. on Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:54 PM Post subject: Re: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
OMTP I have to agree wholeheartedly w/ Kalera. What an great response, with a lot of information. I too had to read
the entire post!!! Yep! Class act you are! Polly Kalera Stratton wrote: [quote:781de65450]What a fabulous reply! I'm
not even a beadweaver, but I read the whole thing because it was full of so much information. Thanks, Beki... you're a
class act! dreambeadr@aol.com wrote: I ordered some brown seed beads from Whim beads and their were so many beads that
were misformed and the size was not uniform. They were size 11. Is this a common problem when you order online? Do
they use seconds? I probably will never order from them again. And if this is the norm, I will not order from online
again with any bead catalouge. Hi Windy, My name is Beki. I own Out On A Whim aka whimbeads.com I am really sorry to
hear you had an unsatisfactory experience with us. Please let me respond to a few of your questions, then let me know
what I can do to make sure you are happy. First, no, we do not sell seconds of any kind. We've been in business for
over 20 years now and pride ourselves on the high quality of merchandise we offer. And we are always prepared to stand
behind it as well. Also, please do not assume because you got some bad beads by purchasing online that every online
transaction will end the same way. Each company online is different just as each business you pass on a street is. I
am responding from home, so I am unable to research what your order may have been for, so if you would be so kind as to
let me know what stock numbers you ordered so that I can go pull the beads from the shelf and 1) check for quality, 2)
discard if need be. I would also like to refund your money for any beads you may have received from us that are not of
the quality we state we offer. Our Japanese seed beads come from the three major manufacturers in Japan. Miyuki, Toho
and Matsuno. Please check this link I have created for people to compare these beads as well as similar beads from the
Czech Republic and France: http://www.whimbeads.com/seedbeads/seed-compare.html You can see in the enlarged scans how
the beads are all slightly different in shape and size from manufacturer to manufacturer, but they remain fairly uniform
within their own category. That being said, seed beads will never be as uniform as a cylinder bead. The process to
create them is not the same. Also, there are certain colors that tend to run a little bit "off" in size.
(this really needs to be measured with exacting means, it's hard to see with the naked eye). This is due to the various
characteristics of the glasses used; some glass is softer than other glass and will tend to expand during the creation
process, and also any finishes that may be applied to the surface of the glass, such as metallic coatings (enlarging) or
matting (reducing). You also enquired: "I just found TOHO Treasure beads at wal-mart. I looked at their website
and they say that they are same as Muyki delicas. Has anyone tried these? They were a lot cheaper than the bead shop
delicas." These two beads are made by two different companies and while there are similarities in them, there are
also some major differences. The TOHO company produces two lines of cylinder beads. The Treasure bead, their first
generation of this shape bead, and the newly released Aiko's (named after the owners beloved wife), which are the
highest level, most precision cut beads on the market to date. The Miyuki company produces the Delica bead. Their only
line of cylinder beads. This bead is the most popular on the market partly due to it being marketed at the right time
and right place, and partly because of the large color selection, close to 1000 colors now. In basic weaving
techniques, such as Peyote and Brick stitch you should be able to combine the three brands with success. However, in
more precision work, such as loom work, I would not recommend it. The subtle slight variations in the beads will show
along the edge of the loomed piece. Also, when price comparing on cylinder beads, you will also need to be aware of the
quantity the beads are being sold in. Cylinder beads come in much smaller quantities than seed beads do and are
generally offered in small gram increments. So while you compare your LBS's price to a big box stores price, be certain
your LBS isn't offering the bead in a much larger quantity. In addition, while it is my political view regarding
companies like Wal-mart selling beads, I would like to suggest that you consider supporting your local bead stores
instead. First, you will not find people at Wal-mart who can answer the important questions you may have about the
various beads, second, your LBS supports your local economy by having your tax dollars continue to circulate in your
area. Please consider taking the time to check out a few of these links regarding this issue:
http://www.localbeadstores.com http://www.beadbugle.com/html/seed_bead_aspirations_-_ten_re.html (Ten Reasons to Support
Your Local Bead Store) http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=18746&webtag=ab-
beadwork (a discussion on the About Beadwork forum about Small Bead Stores going under) I hope I was helpful in
answering your questions. And I hope you will give me the opportunity to fix any problems you may have had with your
order from us. I realize my customer service department may have already responded to you regarding this issue, but
feel free to contact me directly. I can be reached at 800-232-3111 or by email: beki at whimbeads.com or dreambeadr at
aol dot com Happy Beading! Beki http://www.whimbeads.com [/quote:781de65450] -- Polly -- don't spook my groove...
email - webmaster at beadfulheart dot com yahoo id - aoncridhe
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Posted by Kalera Stratton on Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:15 PM Post subject: Re: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
What a fabulous reply! I'm not even a beadweaver, but I read the whole thing because it was full of so much
information. Thanks, Beki... you're a class act! dreambeadr@aol.com wrote: [quote:24ac01de93]I ordered some brown seed
beads from Whim beads and their were so many beads that were misformed and the size was not uniform. They were size 11.
Is this a common problem when you order online? Do they use seconds? I probably will never order from them again. And
if this is the norm, I will not order from online again with any bead catalouge. Hi Windy, My name is Beki. I own Out
On A Whim aka whimbeads.com I am really sorry to hear you had an unsatisfactory experience with us. Please let me
respond to a few of your questions, then let me know what I can do to make sure you are happy. First, no, we do not
sell seconds of any kind. We've been in business for over 20 years now and pride ourselves on the high quality of
merchandise we offer. And we are always prepared to stand behind it as well. Also, please do not assume because you got
some bad beads by purchasing online that every online transaction will end the same way. Each company online is
different just as each business you pass on a street is. I am responding from home, so I am unable to research what
your order may have been for, so if you would be so kind as to let me know what stock numbers you ordered so that I can
go pull the beads from the shelf and 1) check for quality, 2) discard if need be. I would also like to refund your
money for any beads you may have received from us that are not of the quality we state we offer. Our Japanese seed
beads come from the three major manufacturers in Japan. Miyuki, Toho and Matsuno. Please check this link I have
created for people to compare these beads as well as similar beads from the Czech Republic and France:
http://www.whimbeads.com/seedbeads/seed-compare.html You can see in the enlarged scans how the beads are all slightly
different in shape and size from manufacturer to manufacturer, but they remain fairly uniform within their own category.
That being said, seed beads will never be as uniform as a cylinder bead. The process to create them is not the same.
Also, there are certain colors that tend to run a little bit "off" in size. (this really needs to be measured
with exacting means, it's hard to see with the naked eye). This is due to the various characteristics of the glasses
used; some glass is softer than other glass and will tend to expand during the creation process, and also any finishes
that may be applied to the surface of the glass, such as metallic coatings (enlarging) or matting (reducing). You also
enquired: "I just found TOHO Treasure beads at wal-mart. I looked at their website and they say that they are same
as Muyki delicas. Has anyone tried these? They were a lot cheaper than the bead shop delicas." These two beads
are made by two different companies and while there are similarities in them, there are also some major differences.
The TOHO company produces two lines of cylinder beads. The Treasure bead, their first generation of this shape bead,
and the newly released Aiko's (named after the owners beloved wife), which are the highest level, most precision cut
beads on the market to date. The Miyuki company produces the Delica bead. Their only line of cylinder beads. This bead
is the most popular on the market partly due to it being marketed at the right time and right place, and partly because
of the large color selection, close to 1000 colors now. In basic weaving techniques, such as Peyote and Brick stitch
you should be able to combine the three brands with success. However, in more precision work, such as loom work, I
would not recommend it. The subtle slight variations in the beads will show along the edge of the loomed piece. Also,
when price comparing on cylinder beads, you will also need to be aware of the quantity the beads are being sold in.
Cylinder beads come in much smaller quantities than seed beads do and are generally offered in small gram increments.
So while you compare your LBS's price to a big box stores price, be certain your LBS isn't offering the bead in a much
larger quantity. In addition, while it is my political view regarding companies like Wal-mart selling beads, I would
like to suggest that you consider supporting your local bead stores instead. First, you will not find people at Wal-
mart who can answer the important questions you may have about the various beads, second, your LBS supports your local
economy by having your tax dollars continue to circulate in your area. Please consider taking the time to check out a
few of these links regarding this issue: http://www.localbeadstores.com http://www.beadbugle.com/html/
seed_bead_aspirations_-_ten_re.html (Ten Reasons to Support Your Local Bead Store)
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=18746&webtag=ab-beadwork (a discussion on
the About Beadwork forum about Small Bead Stores going under) I hope I was helpful in answering your questions. And I
hope you will give me the opportunity to fix any problems you may have had with your order from us. I realize my
customer service department may have already responded to you regarding this issue, but feel free to contact me
directly. I can be reached at 800-232-3111 or by email: beki at whimbeads.com or dreambeadr at aol dot com Happy
Beading! Beki http://www.whimbeads.com [/quote:24ac01de93]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:24 PM Post subject: Re: TOHO TREASURE BEADS
[quote:d5ac789e90]I ordered some brown seed beads from Whim beads and their were so many beads that were misformed and
the size was not uniform. They were size 11. Is this a common problem when you order online? Do they use seconds? I
probably will never order from them again. And if this is the norm, I will not order from online again with any bead
catalouge. [/quote:d5ac789e90] Hi Windy, My name is Beki. I own Out On A Whim aka whimbeads.com I am really sorry to
hear you had an unsatisfactory experience with us. Please let me respond to a few of your questions, then let me know
what I can do to make sure you are happy. First, no, we do not sell seconds of any kind. We've been in business for
over 20 years now and pride ourselves on the high quality of merchandise we offer. And we are always prepared to stand
behind it as well. Also, please do not assume because you got some bad beads by purchasing online that every online
transaction will end the same way. Each company online is different just as each business you pass on a street is. I
am responding from home, so I am unable to research what your order may have been for, so if you would be so kind as to
let me know what stock numbers you ordered so that I can go pull the beads from the shelf and 1) check for quality, 2)
discard if need be. I would also like to refund your money for any beads you may have received from us that are not of
the quality we state we offer. Our Japanese seed beads come from the three major manufacturers in Japan. Miyuki, Toho
and Matsuno. Please check this link I have created for people to compare these beads as well as similar beads from the
Czech Republic and France: http://www.whimbeads.com/seedbeads/seed-compare.html You can see in the enlarged scans how
the beads are all slightly different in shape and size from manufacturer to manufacturer, but they remain fairly uniform
within their own category. That being said, seed beads will never be as uniform as a cylinder bead. The process to
create them is not the same. Also, there are certain colors that tend to run a little bit "off" in size.
(this really needs to be measured with exacting means, it's hard to see with the naked eye). This is due to the various
characteristics of the glasses used; some glass is softer than other glass and will tend to expand during the creation
process, and also any finishes that may be applied to the surface of the glass, such as metallic coatings (enlarging) or
matting (reducing). You also enquired: "I just found TOHO Treasure beads at wal-mart. I looked at their website
and they say that they are same as Muyki delicas. Has anyone tried these? They were a lot cheaper than the bead shop
delicas." These two beads are made by two different companies and while there are similarities in them, there are
also some major differences. The TOHO company produces two lines of cylinder beads. The Treasure bead, their first
generation of this shape bead, and the newly released Aiko's (named after the owners beloved wife), which are the
highest level, most precision cut beads on the market to date. The Miyuki company produces the Delica bead. Their only
line of cylinder beads. This bead is the most popular on the market partly due to it being marketed at the right time
and right place, and partly because of the large color selection, close to 1000 colors now. In basic weaving
techniques, such as Peyote and Brick stitch you should be able to combine the three brands with success. However, in
more precision work, such as loom work, I would not recommend it. The subtle slight variations in the beads will show
along the edge of the loomed piece. Also, when price comparing on cylinder beads, you will also need to be aware of the
quantity the beads are being sold in. Cylinder beads come in much smaller quantities than seed beads do and are
generally offered in small gram increments. So while you compare your LBS's price to a big box stores price, be certain
your LBS isn't offering the bead in a much larger quantity. In addition, while it is my political view regarding
companies like Wal-mart selling beads, I would like to suggest that you consider supporting your local bead stores
instead. First, you will not find people at Wal-mart who can answer the important questions you may have about the
various beads, second, your LBS supports your local economy by having your tax dollars continue to circulate in your
area. Please consider taking the time to check out a few of these links regarding this issue:
http://www.localbeadstores.com http://www.beadbugle.com/html/seed_bead_aspirations_-_ten_re.html (Ten Reasons to Support
Your Local Bead Store) http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=1&tid=18746&webtag=ab-
beadwork (a discussion on the About Beadwork forum about Small Bead Stores going under) I hope I was helpful in
answering your questions. And I hope you will give me the opportunity to fix any problems you may have had with your
order from us. I realize my customer service department may have already responded to you regarding this issue, but
feel free to contact me directly. I can be reached at 800-232-3111 or by email: beki at whimbeads.com or dreambeadr at
aol dot com Happy Beading! Beki http://www.whimbeads.com
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