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Posted by mini Mini on Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:45 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma



I learned from my mother & friends mothers, my girlfriends, reading magazines and practicing to see what I like.
I've changed my style over the years. But basically, I learned - A little goes a long way - You have to work with what
you have. - Make up is to enhance not to cover up. You need four things for day: That's it: _eyeshadow_ in
brown/tan/beige, (depending on how light or dark you are), ie neutral colors _eyeliner_ that is a little darker than
your eyeshadow (pencil, dont' get the liquid stuff, that's advanced level!), _brow pencil or powder_ the color of your
brow, _lipstick_ in a color that is the color of your lips but just a bit darker. Use a tiny bit and blend slightly
with your fingers. Get your eyebrows shaped professionally. It is worth the investment. You will be surprised how much
better your eyes look! Keep yourself neat and tidy. Take care of your nails. They don't have to be long claws, just
clean & tidy. Stick with classics and neutral colors: dont' try to be trendy. Buy the best you can afford in
natural fabrics, in your correct size, get them altered if they don't fit properly. Then take care of them. Invest in
well made leather shoes, and take care of them (keep them clean & polished). Our feet are much more important than
most people treat them. Work with what you have: if you have straight hair work with that. If you have curly hair
work with that. It is little use trying to fight it if you dont' have experience and an investment in lots of product.
Keep your hair clean & tidy. Get a good hair cut and keep it healthy and tidy. Find a good product for flyaway or
dry hair. (but a little goes a long way. Don't drown your hair in product) That's it. All my wisdom I impart on you,
my child, and you will look a million dollars! ;o) "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in
news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com: [quote:0d80baa965]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:0d80baa965]

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Posted by Ginger in CA on Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:06 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

Wow, what a variety of responses here!!! First, Tricia I hope you can see this is a thread that shows you are not
alone! I for one (even though I don't post often) am glad you felt comfortabel enough to ask these questions, even if
you were squirming while you typed them out, then wondered out loud if you should hit the send button ;)) I was never
taught about makeup. I was quite the tomboy growing up - that hasn't changed! Don't own a dress or skirt. Makeup - I
work as a courtroom clerk in our county's superior court - consists of lightly applied eyeliner in dark brown, lightly
applied auburn pencil to my reddish/blondish eyebrows, neutral eyeshadow - just a touch, one coat of dark brown mascara,
tinted lip moisturizer. I drink lots of water and keep a moisturizer on my face in the winter. That's it. Hair - mine
is very thick, naturally wavy/curly. Six weeks ago I went from half-way down my back to just below the ears, layered.
Never have done perms/color/rollers/blowdry. Wash and dry naturally. I simply refuse to do more! Clothes - I am not
fazed by current fashion. Working in the conservative environment I do, daily "uniform" is dark slacks, blazer
type jacket and knit shirt underneath. I don't follow the "dress to the nines" idea, going for professional-
looking comfort instead. I do make sure I have a long sleeve jacket on at all times the court session is going, or the
public is in the courtroom. Hardly anyone knows about my tattoos that are visible once the jacket comes off ;)) As has
been mentioned, how you feel about yourself comes acrost stronger than you'll ever realize. Believe in yourself. Smile
inwardly and outwardly. Know you can do the job you are going for, and convince the prospective employer. Confidence not
agressiveness seems to work. Bless you for having the courage to post your note to us! That's confidence that you can
build on ;)) Ginger in CA Tricia wrote: [quote:c3133803a1]No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is
weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to
being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the
things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-
sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia[/quote:c3133803a1]

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Posted by Anonymous on Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:01 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

This is coming from a "girl" who doesn't often wear any kind of makeup: I didn't learn (and my teenage years
were no more screwed up than anyone elses - I just was not interested) to wear makeup or do my hair nicely. These days,
I tie my hair back for work (there are some great accessories, clips etc out there) and if I'm doing something special I
might get my lashes dyed (I seem to remember that this is not an (legal) option in the US, but in Europe, it works fine)
- that way there is no self-induced pressure to try to mix mascara with wearing glasses, I tried that enough to realise
it doesn't work for me. Oh, and slap on some lipstick for special occassions. Oh well. I do try to pay some attention
to wearing clothes that suits me (when not on vacation at least!), but that is about it. Other already gave some advice
about how you could seek help in learning. I used to sometimes think about learning, but now it is _way_ down my list of
what might make me feel even better about myself, so for me it is not going to happen anytime soon :-) Hanne (normally)
in London Tricia wrote: [quote:77275c21fb]No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my
mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman
than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to
discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman.
Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't
mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in
regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty
screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an
abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short
circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an
adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing,
I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget
trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway
ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband
'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not
even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty",
"feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that
God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the
sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that
philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three
female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more
respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect
something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such --
with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times
translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone
issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering
trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the
mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I
have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came
from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia[/quote:77275c21fb]

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Posted by Butterflywings on Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:25 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

Can't wear make-up, can't do 'beauty shops', and my hair is just as straight as it can be. Can 'do' short hair and when
my hands can hold it up I will blow dry 'height' into it. Keeping this in mind I took a class on 'finding a new job at
your age for both sexes. There were 5 guys and 3 gals. The last day of class each of us had to write ONE sentence about
everyone in the class. My 'comments' ran the gamut of: From the guys "I couldn't wait to "see" what you
were going to wear> You have the 'nicest wardrobe' I have ever seen> Do you go to Denver to do your clothes
shopping?"(lived on the Western Slope of CO at the time) . Gals were mostly: You seem to be very artistic--- type
of comments. I made my clothes and they fit...didn't wear makeup and my hair was always clean and naturally 'shiny'.
In other words you never know what others 'see' when you walk into the room I can't give other advice but hope this
helps somewhat. Good luck in your job hunt. Let us know what you find. Butterfly (no, I was NOT allowed to wear makeup
in HS so I learned in college) "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:cef2be125b]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:cef2be125b]

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Posted by Tricia on Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:06 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

Julia in MN wrote: [quote:99e9677ae3]Or if you have a BeautiControl consultant in your area, give her a call. They also
help with wardrobe colors. Department store makeup counters can also help. Julia in MN [/quote:99e9677ae3] When I got
interested in fabric and learning to sew, I did get books out of the library for the color selection thing and learned
that I am very definitely a SPRING and am very comfortable with picking flattering colors for clothes -- that is one
that I am fairly well versed in when seeking business/work clothes. When I "bum around" town or home I tend
to do jeans and any old t-shirt but for work I *can* dress. The principal where I was teaching called me into her
office one day for a discussion on upgrading my work wardrobe (I was being too casual in my dress). I went and bought a
bunch of things that are very nice. Some don't fit appropriately anymore due to some weight gain/redistribution, but
some still do. The Sears downstate actually has a decent ladies/petites department, although none of the pants in the
two piece items fit me (Kate D -- any tips for a newbie on hemming up tapered slacks?) but I found a nice brand of pants
that I could wear nicely and bought a mixture of colors to fill the gaps. The nearest dept store is a small JC Penny
and this one doesn't have a make up counter (I went tonight and checked). The Sears outside town is strictly appliances
and manly machines. I'm now starting to look for others that might be nearby that I dont' know about (I was never much
of a shopper either -- another teen girly thing that just passed me by). Thanks Julia, Tricia

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Posted by KJ on Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:25 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

You might try some of the catalogues if shopping is far away. Coldwater Creek carries some nice looking clothes in
larger sizes with comfortable fit. I don't think their prices are outrageous either. It's worth checking. KJ
"Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:1156813580.153494.239070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:bc3546ae7f] Julia in MN wrote: Or if you have a
BeautiControl consultant in your area, give her a call. They also help with wardrobe colors. Department store makeup
counters can also help. Julia in MN When I got interested in fabric and learning to sew, I did get books out of the
library for the color selection thing and learned that I am very definitely a SPRING and am very comfortable with
picking flattering colors for clothes -- that is one that I am fairly well versed in when seeking business/work clothes.
When I "bum around" town or home I tend to do jeans and any old t-shirt but for work I *can* dress. The
principal where I was teaching called me into her office one day for a discussion on upgrading my work wardrobe (I was
being too casual in my dress). I went and bought a bunch of things that are very nice. Some don't fit appropriately
anymore due to some weight gain/redistribution, but some still do. The Sears downstate actually has a decent
ladies/petites department, although none of the pants in the two piece items fit me (Kate D -- any tips for a newbie on
hemming up tapered slacks?) but I found a nice brand of pants that I could wear nicely and bought a mixture of colors to
fill the gaps. The nearest dept store is a small JC Penny and this one doesn't have a make up counter (I went tonight
and checked). The Sears outside town is strictly appliances and manly machines. I'm now starting to look for others
that might be nearby that I dont' know about (I was never much of a shopper either -- another teen girly thing that just
passed me by). Thanks Julia, Tricia [/quote:bc3546ae7f]

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Posted by Tricia on Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:12 PM    Post subject: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman" r

No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing
AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such.
Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great*
role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing
what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a
riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a
"woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass
getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS
all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my
development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I
didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually
nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style
my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's
basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only
makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice
heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty",
"feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that
God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the
sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that
philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three
female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more
respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect
something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such --
with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times
translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone
issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering
trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the
mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I
have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came
from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia

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Posted by JustJoanQuilts on Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:08 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

I know where you are coming from. I can't count how many times I have been asked, 'why don't you wear make-up, have you
ever . . ., etc., etc.' On my wedding day at the reception, my aunt pinned me to the wall to put a little color on my
face. I have always said I don't like wearing it but in reality, I was just never any good at it so gave up on it. My
mom didn't wear any and told me the same thing about how I was perfect the way God made me! My dad wouldn't let me get
my ears pierced because God gave me all the holes I needed. So I did it myself and he never said a word about it. My
parents were good parents but not very good with what I was going through as a teen. Just a phase and all that. I just
want to say that I feel that same disconnect between being a girl and an adult but it's not just about the make-up,
that's just on the surface. These feelings for me are much deeper and at the age of 48, I wonder if I will ever feel
like or be treated like a grown up since I don't much look like one and don't really behave like most adults I know.
Life is too short to be so serious and I refuse to conform. Maybe that is the artist within, whatever it is, I don't
know. But I have to agree with the whole hiring aspect, I don't look like people think I should and that can be a
deterrent in many aspects of getting the better job!! I could write more but I have to go to my little peon job so
TTFN.... Joan from GA for the moment Tricia wrote: [quote:2ae10901a8] Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge
in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it?
Pondering, Tricia[/quote:2ae10901a8]

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Posted by Taria on Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:56 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

I was lucky. My folks were married over 50 years and dad treated mom like a queen. I was lucky to choose well in my
husband although out of 5 girls only 2 of us did that. My mom never much wore anything but lipstick when I was a kid.
Her only sister would not be seen without full make up on. Folks always guessed mom the younger even though she was
7 years older. She didn't lay out in the sun though. I wear make up a lot less than I used to. Not for casual days
around the house or grocery but I will for lunch or visiting and meetings and such. I feel more polished when I have
make up on. I feel prettier. If you feel prettier you will look prettier imo. I didn't wear make up as a young teen
but worked at a dept store as and older teen. The make up gals are really well trained. Meet them, talk to them, learn
from them. In my early 20's several of us gals went to modeling school. I learned a lot about makeup, hair, how to walk
in heels (most women have no clue) and all kinds of things you might not think about. It was fun. I am not now or
never was a model but it is good to know this stuff and then use what you like. You should look good wearing make up
not painted. Have fun with it though. Once you get it right you'll feel good and enjoy it. The hair thing is tough
for me too. I am pretty clutzy and have thin, fine hair. Ask folks that have nice do's who does their hair. Go into
a salon and look at their books. DOn't be afraid of the whole mess. HAve fun with it. You need to put a good attitude
in your mind too. Taria Tricia wrote: [quote:bd0ada625c]No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is
weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to
being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the
things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-
sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:bd0ada625c]

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Posted by Pauline on Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:03 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

Well, I concur with some of the other suggestions. If you live in an area that has department stores, just make a phone
call & ask if you can get a complimentary make up consultation with one of their consultants. Sometimes a
particular make-up company will have a special, but most often, even if there isn't a special going on, one of the
consultants will happily do it for you. And there shouldn't be any charge for it. They are hopeful that you'll spend
some money, so it's in their best interests. Most of the make up consultants in department stores are employed by the
manufacturer, not the department store. And don't feel you have to buy everything or anything from them. I always tell
them I need to wear it for the rest of the day to see if my skin reacts to anything - which is true. If the new product
"wears" well, then I go back & buy it. I don't wear a lot of make up - mostly the basics, unless I'm
really dressing up. Every few years, if I feel my look is getting a little stale, I do go to get a make-over at the
make-up counters in the store. It always gives me a little lift & makes me try new techniques or colors. Whatever
you do, don't let them over do you - you won't feel natural. Years ago, I had a makeover & left the store &
drove straight home to wash it all off. I looked like a stage actor!! Regarding hair - not my strength either - but I
try to stay with a fairly "simple" hairstyle, while still looking stylish. I've always threatened to move my
current hairstylist into my house with me, so they can fix my hair in the morning. Do as others have suggested - if you
see a hairstyle you like, ask someone where they get their hair done. Take into consideration if you have fine hair,
curly hair, coarse hair, etc. because someone that has a different texture of hair from yours will end up with a
different look than you. You can also "interview" potential hairstylists to see if you think you will work
well together. See what they suggest & explain how it's a weak area for you, so it needs to be doable for YOU.
Sometimes it takes a few visits for your hairstylist & you to get to a good spot. I also recommend seeing a
dermatologist if your skin is breaking out. Don't try to "fix" it yourself. You need to see a professional.
If you're worried about your weight - try to dress in a way that helps to camoflage the areas you're most concerned
about. This is another area where a good sales person can help you. And remember - you can always return anything you
buy that you have buyers remorse after you get home & try it on again. You can also return make-up - even to drug
stores. (It looked different when I got it home - it made me break out - it creased in my eyelids, etc.) Good luck -
you sound like you need a lift & taking it one step at a time will really help you to feel better about your
appearance. Keep us posted! Pauline "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:249416f62b]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:249416f62b]

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Posted by Anonymous on Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:17 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

During my teen years I had other things on my mind, so I did not delve into makeup and fancy hairdos. Later I did so
and after trying a number of things found that makeup did not work on me at all due to a skin condition. My extremely
fine hair is impossible for even beauticians to handle, so I have a simple hair style. I do keep myself presentable in
every other way and I think that lack of makeup and fancy hair styles have NOT stopped me from getting any jobs. If you
look at many women who accomplished much, you will often find that they have simple hair styles that require minimal
care. They are busy with greater issues. Bev in TX Tricia wrote: .... portions snipped [quote:ed6f522da1]I suspect
something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such --
with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times
translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone
issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Pondering, Tricia[/quote:ed6f522da1]

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Posted by Sherry Starr on Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:18 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

I agree with Polly. An employer is not going to hire someone who gives the appearance they don't care about the way
they look. You can go to the cosmetic counter at any department store, and they will be happy to help you. They will
show you how to apply the makeup. I use Clinique, and I get a free face makeup several times a year. Ask someone to
give you the name of their hair stylist. Also, go to a gym, YWCA, or local recreation group and see if there are some
exercise classes you can take. You can also change the way you eat. Cut your portions down, don't eat between meals.
If you need a snack, eat a small apple or something like that. First impressions are everything. You have to give the
impression that you care about your appearance. Sherry Starr "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com>
wrote in message news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:3b3b974eef]No offense to our male
readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me
say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more
important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong,
self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If
you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would
probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a
"girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost
father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst
issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman
rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm
facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to
properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more
knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more
like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a
perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my
request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin'
suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask
it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and
while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the
question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up.
That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been
"done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is
the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably
overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or
incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel
that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up
properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening
with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have
plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia
[/quote:3b3b974eef]

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Posted by IMS on Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:57 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

I'm curious as to _why_ you think the topic needs discussing _here_. :) -Irene On 28 Aug 2006 08:12:24 -0700,
"Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote: [quote:2484a8e3b1]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:2484a8e3b1] -------------- You
only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough. --Mae West --------------

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Posted by Leslie & The Furbabies in on Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:01 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

Tricia- The other replies here have many really good suggestions, so I won't duplicate those. I work Saturdays at the
front desk for a real estate office. The owner is a friend who has handled many real estate transactions for me over
the past 18 years. She and I have discussed and agree- the most important duty is that I smile. A smile in my voice on
the telephone and a smile to greet everyone who comes thru the door. Start with your smile and a well modulated voice
and an open, pleasant, friendly, polite, calm attitude. Be sure your vocabulary includes many "good
mornings", "pleases', and "thank yous" and make a big effort to use people's names- and try to
remember their names. I use first names with people who seem open and friendly and Mr. or Mrs./Ms. with everyone else.
If in doubt, err in the more formal address. Being prepared, dependable, clean, neat and appropriately dressed is very
important- more so than make-up and a hairstyle. Best of luck. Leslie- with over thirty years experience working with
the public and have been hired for every job I ever applied for- except one..... PS: Do yopu have a friend with make-
up and hairstyling skills you admire? It might be less expensive and intimidating to ask for her help in showing you
the how-tos. Tricia wrote: [quote:14536c00fc]No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my
mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman
than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to
discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman.
Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't
mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in
regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty
screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an
abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short
circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an
adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing,
I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget
trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway
ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband
'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not
even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty",
"feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that
God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the
sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that
philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three
female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more
respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect
something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such --
with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times
translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone
issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering
trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the
mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I
have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came
from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia[/quote:14536c00fc]

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Posted by Don/Gen on Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:35 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

Because we care for each other and the majority are women. Don't like it?? Don't read it! Sure hope you don't need
personal advice and have no place else to turn!!! Gen "IMS<iscott@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:g3m6f2ttfkr17kbd03kaeh6r98jpg9ng4b@4ax.com... I'm curious as to _why_ you think the topic needs discussing _here_.
:) -Irene On 28 Aug 2006 08:12:24 -0700, "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote:
[quote:24b55b2294]No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs
discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair
styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread.
I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for
trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or
incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a
"woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass
getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS
all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my
development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I
didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually
nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style
my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's
basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only
makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice
heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty",
"feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that
God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the
sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that
philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three
female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more
respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect
something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such --
with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times
translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone
issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering
trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the
mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I
have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came
from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:24b55b2294] -------------- You only live once, but if you do
it right, once is enough. --Mae West --------------

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Posted by julia sidebottom on Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:22 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

"Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:0996b78d0b]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:0996b78d0b]

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Posted by Jessamy on Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:39 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

I have the same problem - I stick to beigy brown lipstick and skip the rest .. somehow I have always gotten away with no
makeup just by making an effort in what I wear good luck Tricia! I hop you find the solution to this that makes you
happy :) -- Jessamy In The Netherlands Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply. www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jessamy_thompson/my_photos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No offense to
our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right
away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and
yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for
being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be
a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of
us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a
"girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost
father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst
issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman
rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm
facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to
properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more
knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more
like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a
perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my
request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin'
suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask
it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and
while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the
question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up.
That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been
"done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is
the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably
overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or
incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel
that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up
properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening
with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have
plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia

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Posted by Dawn in Alberta on Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:51 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

Ok I know I haven't posted much in along while but reading this topic made me realize that I am not the only one out
there on this not so big blue marble any more. I am in my soon to be late 30's and I have no clue as how to use a
curling iron, curlers or how to French braid my own hair, doing someone else's hair I have no problem with, just mine.
Being blessed or cursed depending how I feel on any given day with naturally wavy to curly hair, I have it cut short to
help with any problems hair wise. As for make up , I guess I was lucky being able to learn from my mother who used to be
a nutri-medics, make up sales rep at one time. Plus as a teen on weekends when I had nothing planned I played with make
up finding my own style, granted I hardly wear make up now, considering the work that I do and having odd skin to boot,
it cant make up its mind if it wants to be normal, dry or oily. When I do put on the war paint its a very soft natural
look, where it looks like I don't have any thing on but there is something a bit more added. I just use make up from the
drug store, Revlon, L'Oreal and some times Marcell (sp?) Being prone to break outs myself mainly due to stress and
Horrormoans, I mainly just use water to clean my face, but when I use make up , to clean my face I just use Oil of Olay
cleansing cloths, works great and gentle on sensitive skin, fragrance free to boot, my skin loves it. I guess what
you can gather from all this is experiment in your free time, sure you may go through the war paint a bit faster then
normal but defiantly do what some of the others are suggesting go Mary Kay to learn the basic's then fine tune it to
work for you. Hope it helps Dawn in Alberta -- When life gets you down , Get up and Mambo John Candy Remove the
NOSpam to reply "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:4531ed2326]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the
teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen
years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a
stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I
think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in
some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard.
Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I
don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in
anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do
anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to
use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it
comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having
been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part,
I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God
out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up
why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that
enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up"
but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I
don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to
look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:4531ed2326]

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Posted by Tricia on Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:06 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

Thanks for the input =) Tricia countryone77@yahoo.com wrote: [quote:e44f1ee2d5]During my teen years I had other things
on my mind, so I did not delve into makeup and fancy hairdos. Later I did so and after trying a number of things found
that makeup did not work on me at all due to a skin condition. My extremely fine hair is impossible for even
beauticians to handle, so I have a simple hair style. I do keep myself presentable in every other way and I think that
lack of makeup and fancy hair styles have NOT stopped me from getting any jobs. If you look at many women who
accomplished much, you will often find that they have simple hair styles that require minimal care. They are busy with
greater issues. Bev in TX [/quote:e44f1ee2d5]

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Posted by Mika on Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:30 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman

"JustJoanQuilts" <joan.blair@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1156781281.617903.264020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quote:e05f236b55]I know where you are coming from. I
can't count how many times I have been asked, 'why don't you wear make-up, have you ever . . ., etc., etc.' On my
wedding day at the reception, my aunt pinned me to the wall to put a little color on my face. I have always said I
don't like wearing it but in reality, I was just never any good at it so gave up on it. My mom didn't wear any and told
me the same thing about how I was perfect the way God made me! My dad wouldn't let me get my ears pierced because God
gave me all the holes I needed. So I did it myself and he never said a word about it. My parents were good parents but
not very good with what I was going through as a teen. Just a phase and all that. I just want to say that I feel that
same disconnect between being a girl and an adult but it's not just about the make-up, that's just on the surface.
These feelings for me are much deeper and at the age of 48, I wonder if I will ever feel like or be treated like a grown
up since I don't much look like one and don't really behave like most adults I know. Life is too short to be so serious
and I refuse to conform. Maybe that is the artist within, whatever it is, I don't know. But I have to agree with the
whole hiring aspect, I don't look like people think I should and that can be a deterrent in many aspects of getting the
better job!! I could write more but I have to go to my little peon job so TTFN.... [/quote:e05f236b55] Joan you have
almost wrote my story too. My Mom never wore makeup so I wasn't allowed to wear it. Well, when I turned 16 I was allowed
to wear a very pale eye shadow and mascara but the mascara made my My Grandmother pierced my ears for my 16th birthday
and I had to beg my parents to let me have that done. I am a cosmetologist and I still don't like wearing makeup.
Granted a lot of my problem with it is sensitive skin. Most makeup foundations burn my skin so it's just not worth the
bother. But I totally understand about the feelings of disconnect. I often feel the same way. So I just tell myself that
if people don't like my looks then they don't have to look at me. Hugs, Mika

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Posted by Julia in MN on Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:15 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

This is too late for you, Tricia, but something for you parents of girls to consider. When my daughter was small,
someone told me that she thought it was good for girls to learn about makeup, etc. young. So I bought my daughter some
cheap makeup and let her and her friends play with it. She learned how to apply by trial and error. When she was in
junior high or high school, DH commented once that DD didn't wear makeup. He was wrong -- she had mastered a light
touch and it wasn't really noticeable. She never really went overboard on makeup though she does admit to putting on
blue mascara after she got to school when she was in junior high. Julia in MN Tricia wrote: [quote:c6fcdf1d8a]No
offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing
AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such.
Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great*
role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing
what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a
riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a
"woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass
getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS
all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my
development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I
didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually
nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style
my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's
basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only
makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice
heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty",
"feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that
God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the
sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that
philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three
female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more
respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect
something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such --
with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times
translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone
issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering
trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the
mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I
have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came
from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:c6fcdf1d8a] -- This message has been scanned for viruses by
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Posted by Tricia on Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:17 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: Interviewing HairstylistsRe: OT proposed discussion:

Thanks Pauline -- I'm assuming the type of salon you call isn't some place like the place in Wal Mart or a Fantastic
Sams.... I really wish I was closer to one of my stepsisters (both physically and emotionally -- she moved and left no
forwarding address/contact information with me =( ). She's always been good at this stuff (well, alright, maybe not
always...as a teenager she did seem to go a bit overboard and looked more trampy than accentuated, but I think from what
I have gathered many teen girls go through a stage like that when learning about make up), went to cosmetology school,
etc. While I initially thought her make up choices for me at my wedding were a bit dark, she did a beautiful job with
me -- make up and hair. (pictures available on the same site as my interview outfit). She anchored that veil so well
that it took me forever to get it off -- and that was after dancing, being swung around like a little girl by a friend,
and changing -- both into and out of my dress and alternate outfits. We weren't close as kids (she's nearly 10 years
older and I was the intruding baby stepsister) and I had hoped around the time of my wedding that we'd get closer as
adults but things happened, she moved, I moved, etc. and we lost touch again. Someday we'll manage to reconnect
somehow.... Been on meds before for PMDD, trying to avoid it for as long as I can this time.... Thanks, Tricia
Pauline wrote: [quote:1b759717f7]When I'm in need of changing hair stylists & don't have any current
recommendations, I call a salon & tell the receptionist that I'm looking for a new hairdresser & I have lots of
hair, but no ability to style it. Can I meet with one of their stylists to discuss my hair & see if we would be a
good fit? It's usually not a problem - just have to schedule a time when they aren't busy. I've never been charged for
it, but I suppose it wouldn't be out of order to do so. Be sure & tell them you need remedial hair styling help:)
Good you're going to the doctor. I didn't think you had a pizza face. I know what you mean though - I had more break
outs when I was in my 30's & 40's than I did as a teenager. I used to suffer terribly from PMS - my evil twin came
out then. That's something you may want to discuss with your MD as well - there is help out there for you. Keep your
chin up & keep asking for help. You'll start to make changes & they'll start to be easier & pretty soon,
things will fall into place for you. -- Pauline Northern California "Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com>
wrote in message news:1156817019.154357.111700@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... Pauline wrote: And don't feel you have to
buy everything or anything from them. I always tell them I need to wear it for the rest of the day to see if my skin
reacts to anything - which is true. If the new product Thank you for bringing that up. It gives me a ready thing in
mind when I go in there to keep from getting pressured into something that I could very well regret (for any number of
reasons) later on. You can also "interview" potential hairstylists to see if you *how* do you do that --
interview hairstylists? Maybe it's the places I go but I've never had someone really work with me, well, not true --
one guy one time took one good look at me and just declared he was going to make me beautiful and did a wonderful job on
my hair, helped me with some basics in hair styling products (small talk by bed head). However, by teh time I went back
(I use annoyance as the main deciding factor on when to get my hair cut) he had moved on to a better quality place (I
assume) and I couldn't track him down. I hate when I go in some place regularly and each person who works with my hair
gives me conflicting recommendations on products, etc. think you will work well together. See what they suggest &
explain how it's a weak area for you, so it needs to be doable for YOU. Sometimes it takes a few visits for your
hairstylist & you to get to a good spot. I also recommend seeing a dermatologist if your skin is breaking out.
Don't try to "fix" it yourself. You need to see a professional. New patient appointment is Oct. 20th. I
know I probably made it sound like I was a "pizza face" but in reality it's just a few (half dozen maybe)
spots -- but very noticable and more than I had as a teenager and they come with my cycle more often than not. If
you're worried about your weight - try to dress in a way that helps to camoflage the areas you're most concerned about.
This is another area where a good sales person can help you. And remember - you can always return anything you buy that
you have buyers remorse after you get home & try it on again. You can also return make-up - even to drug stores.
(It looked different when I got it home - it made me break out - it creased in my eyelids, etc.) Good luck - you sound
like you need a lift & taking it one step at a time will really help you to feel better about your appearance. Keep
us posted! Pauline Thanks Pauline, You are right, I do need a lift -- in a big way. I was in the throes of a really
bad bout of PMS this morning when I was typing (and crying) away, am slightly better now but these are issues that have
been bothering me -- they just don't seem to reach critical status unless the hormones are wacked. Tricia
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Posted by frood on Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:34 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: projects

Is the But First method the opposite of Bass Ackwards? -- Wendy, duckin' and runnin'
http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm un-STUFF email address to reply "Sandy Ellison"
<eltex@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:C0C1B8B6.56C5%eltex@sbcglobal.net... [quote:8138226ba8]Howdy! I like
to paint; I always finish painting jobs; always keep extra paint around for when the mood hits again. <g Years ago
a neighbor/friend & I agreed to "straighten up" each other's homes. Because we get so distracted when
clearing or cleaning our own space, we figured we'd do better to trade (I did professional housecleaning as a teen-ager,
she did it as a young woman, so we knew *how* to clear & clean). About once a month we'd trade houses for a couple
of hours, just go thru' and do the minimum pick-up, straighten-up, clothes in & out of the washroom, no toilets or
tubs, put away toys, stack papers and magazines, dust, sweep. It was really kind of fun. With nothing to hide we
weren't afraid of snooping on each other. <G Then one of us moved away; we still laugh about the trade, tho'.
Writing things down on note cards to remind yourself what to do next? I don't think so! By the time the note cards have
been found I could finish an entire wall of painting, crochet a bath mat, recycle a week's worth of newspapers
(including reading the interesting bits) or do the week's laundry. Best way for me to organize a clearing out is the But
First method. I want to repaint my bedroom. But first I have to take out some furniture into the green room; but first
I have to move the table out of green room into the breakfast room, but first I have to take the roll-around cabinet out
of b-f room & into the garage, but first I have to clear a space in the garage for the cabinet. But first it has to
cool off a bit before I will sacrifice myself to working in the garage. <G It will get done. Husband is always
amazed at my system, and impressed with the results. It works. For me. ;- Good luck, Larisa. It's your house; set
your own pace and tasks. Ragmop/Sandy--whose husband wouldn't dare question my methods or my jobs On 6/23/06 9:22
AM, in article 1151072533.958676.217100@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "marbles_2" PizzaAnnieB@netscape.net>
wrote: I always called it my Creative Brain Syndrome, and it has been with me as long as I can remember. The only
thing that helps are deadlines (especially when I used to work at a newspaper) or customers staring me in the face with
hunger (I own a restaurant). Everything else spins. I've gotten quilt projects with deadlines finished (with lots of
determination) but WIP stuff that has no specific person or challenge is still sitting there. Anyone watching me trying
to do housework will go insane if they try to make sense of it. I'll start dusting and start to think about the laundry
so I go to the washing machine and toss in a few things but decide the dust rag should be included, so go back to the
dusting. I'll then decide a pillow on the couch has a hole in it, and wander off to the sewing room but stop to shuffle
fabric around looking for thread and find a project and sit at the sewing machine...... it goes on from there and gets
worse. On days I go to work I get more done because I don't have time to fiddle around, but days off when I think I can
get a lot accomplished are the worst! A long time ago I heard a speech by two women who called themselves the
Sidetracked Home Executives. They were charming and funny, but seemed to suffer this same Creative Brain thing. It's
like your head is constantly thinking ahead when it gets bored with what it's doing (such as when you are to the end of
a quilt project and know what it looks like and know that all the quilting and binding is just more work) but you want
to see the new thing you're dreaming about, or would rather stop vacuuming and clean the toilets..... I bought their
book and it had lots of hints like making 3x5 cards for everything you need to do, but I never did that. Too much
organization for me. Wonder where I lost that book??? Wonder if it's on Amazon??? Wonder if it will help now?? I've
learned to accept myself for what I am, and now and then I force myself to actually finish things JUST BECAUSE. It feels
kinda good!! Good luck with your painting. That is WAYYYYYYY beyond ambitious in my book. Annie in NW Washington
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Posted by Sandy Ellison on Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:27 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: projects

Howdy! I like to paint; I always finish painting jobs; always keep extra paint around for when the mood hits again.
<g> Years ago a neighbor/friend & I agreed to "straighten up" each other's homes. Because we get
so distracted when clearing or cleaning our own space, we figured we'd do better to trade (I did professional
housecleaning as a teen-ager, she did it as a young woman, so we knew *how* to clear & clean). About once a month
we'd trade houses for a couple of hours, just go thru' and do the minimum pick-up, straighten-up, clothes in & out
of the washroom, no toilets or tubs, put away toys, stack papers and magazines, dust, sweep. It was really kind of fun.
With nothing to hide we weren't afraid of snooping on each other. <G> Then one of us moved away; we still laugh
about the trade, tho'. Writing things down on note cards to remind yourself what to do next? I don't think so! By the
time the note cards have been found I could finish an entire wall of painting, crochet a bath mat, recycle a week's
worth of newspapers (including reading the interesting bits) or do the week's laundry. Best way for me to organize a
clearing out is the But First method. I want to repaint my bedroom. But first I have to take out some furniture into
the green room; but first I have to move the table out of green room into the breakfast room, but first I have to take
the roll-around cabinet out of b-f room & into the garage, but first I have to clear a space in the garage for the
cabinet. But first it has to cool off a bit before I will sacrifice myself to working in the garage. <G> It will
get done. Husband is always amazed at my system, and impressed with the results. It works. For me. ;-> Good
luck, Larisa. It's your house; set your own pace and tasks. Ragmop/Sandy--whose husband wouldn't dare question my
methods or my jobs On 6/23/06 9:22 AM, in article 1151072533.958676.217100@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
"marbles_2" <PizzaAnnieB@netscape.net> wrote: [quote:f9f3438d1f] I always called it my Creative Brain
Syndrome, and it has been with me as long as I can remember. The only thing that helps are deadlines (especially when I
used to work at a newspaper) or customers staring me in the face with hunger (I own a restaurant). Everything else
spins. I've gotten quilt projects with deadlines finished (with lots of determination) but WIP stuff that has no
specific person or challenge is still sitting there. Anyone watching me trying to do housework will go insane if they
try to make sense of it. I'll start dusting and start to think about the laundry so I go to the washing machine and toss
in a few things but decide the dust rag should be included, so go back to the dusting. I'll then decide a pillow on the
couch has a hole in it, and wander off to the sewing room but stop to shuffle fabric around looking for thread and find
a project and sit at the sewing machine...... it goes on from there and gets worse. On days I go to work I get more done
because I don't have time to fiddle around, but days off when I think I can get a lot accomplished are the worst! A
long time ago I heard a speech by two women who called themselves the Sidetracked Home Executives. They were charming
and funny, but seemed to suffer this same Creative Brain thing. It's like your head is constantly thinking ahead when it
gets bored with what it's doing (such as when you are to the end of a quilt project and know what it looks like and know
that all the quilting and binding is just more work) but you want to see the new thing you're dreaming about, or would
rather stop vacuuming and clean the toilets..... I bought their book and it had lots of hints like making 3x5 cards
for everything you need to do, but I never did that. Too much organization for me. Wonder where I lost that book???
Wonder if it's on Amazon??? Wonder if it will help now?? I've learned to accept myself for what I am, and now and then
I force myself to actually finish things JUST BECAUSE. It feels kinda good!! Good luck with your painting. That is
WAYYYYYYY beyond ambitious in my book. Annie in NW Washington [/quote:f9f3438d1f]

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Posted by bobandcarole on Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:12 AM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Apparently, Rep. Mark Foley is homosexual. And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. We should pray for
him that he gets a handle on this problem and refrains from harming any more kids. Meanwhile, we need to wake up. The
fact that this is typical behavior for homosexuals doesn't stop us from continuing to elevate such folks to positions
where they gain access to our kids. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52244

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Posted by Cheryl on Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:25 AM    Post subject: AD New listings

Hi I'm trying to clear out my lampwork trays. I have some listings that have real bargain prices - "sets" at
a mere $2.00 a bead... for some really nice lampwork beads. Summer Cool (reminds me of the swimming pool back when I
was a teen) Wine Lover - yummy wine frit beads... A Bargain "Venus Pendant" and more! Please take a peek
and see if anything appeals to you! http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=5562 Cheryl www.dragonbeads.com

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Posted by bob&carole on Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:53 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

[quote:ef62c11ae8]Apparently, Rep. Mark Foley is homosexual. And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. We
should pray for him that he gets a handle on this problem and refrains from harming any more kids. Meanwhile, we need
to wake up. The fact that this is typical behavior for homosexuals doesn't stop us from continuing to elevate such folks
to positions where they gain access to our kids.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52244[/quote:ef62c11ae8]

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Posted by Nancy in NS on Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:54 AM    Post subject: Re: New Glowing Fabric

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:54:43 GMT, John A. <no.john@spammers.virginiaquilter.allowed.com> wrote:
[quote:d54b697981]Remember Luminex? Phillips has outdone them. The video is particularly cool. [/quote:d54b697981] Very
cool! I can think of a few applications for something like this, depending upon how thick it is, of course. It would
be a real novelty for a teen's quilt. :) It's no doubt pretty expensive. Nancy in NS
http://community.webshots.com/user/loves2quilt

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Posted by Cheryl Isaak on Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:48 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Amber Alert in Missouri

Two hurrahs as I read the news this AM - this darling found alive and well and, locally, a missing teen with
communications issues was found alive and slightly chilled. Cheryl On 9/19/06 8:48 PM, in article
45108fe1$0$6995$4c368faf@roadrunner.com, "Brenda Lewis" <rhiannonveritas@netscape.net> wrote:
[quote:4817786383]Hooray! I hope she is healthy. And the attacker is...? {heading over to check the news} Karen C -
California wrote: CNN has just reported: -- An infant missing since a knife attack on her mother Friday has been found
alive, said Gina Petzold, a spokesman for the girl's family. [/quote:4817786383]

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Posted by bobandcarole on Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:12 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

[quote:6e7a16ccca]Apparently, Rep. Mark Foley is homosexual. And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. We
should pray for him that he gets a handle on this problem and refrains from harming any more kids. Meanwhile, we need
to wake up. The fact that this is typical behavior for homosexuals doesn't stop us from continuing to elevate such folks
to positions where they gain access to our kids.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52244[/quote:6e7a16ccca]

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Posted by Jim Aikin on Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:10 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Debating with knuckle-draggers is always a losing proposition ... but perhaps somebody should point out to Bog and
Carnal (oops ... Bob and Carole) that statistically speaking, most pedophiles are heterosexual men who prey on young
girls. This fact should be enough to convince any right-thinking person that heterosexuality ought to be against the
law. --JA "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160910722.783002.86560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:0488926d6e] Apparently, Rep. Mark Foley is
homosexual. And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. We should pray for him that he gets a handle on this
problem and refrains from harming any more kids. Meanwhile, we need to wake up. The fact that this is typical behavior
for homosexuals doesn't stop us from continuing to elevate such folks to positions where they gain access to our kids.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52244 [/quote:0488926d6e]

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Posted by bobandcarole on Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:09 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

ellice wrote: [quote:a8456acf45]Get a life of your own. And why don't you find some other homophobes to share your
teeny weenie thoughts with - as this has nothing to do with a needlework group. Ellice On 10/15/06 7:12 AM,
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote: A bunch of narrowminded crap that I've snipped
[/quote:a8456acf45] You couldn't see the truth if it was glued to your nose... Apparently, Rep. Mark Foley is
homosexual. And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. We should pray for him that he gets a handle on this
problem and refrains from harming any more kids. Meanwhile, we need to wake up. The fact that this is typical behavior
for homosexuals doesn't stop us from continuing to elevate such folks to positions where they gain access to our kids.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52244

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Posted by Karen C - California on Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:35 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

bobandcarole wrote: [quote:ce2494712b]And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. [/quote:ce2494712b] I
know a number of homosexual men who do NOT like teen boys. They decry pedophilia just as much as the heteros I know.
Maybe you should go out and meet some homosexuals to find out what they're really like, instead of believing what
you've been brainwashed with. -- Karen C - California www.CFSfacts.org where we give you the facts and dispel the
myths October is Disability Awareness Month Finished 10/1/06 - Hats N Kats WIP: baby and housewarming gifts, July
birthstone, Flowers of Hawaii (Jeanette Crews) for ME!!! Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel LTR: Fireman's
Prayer (#2), Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe Editor/Proofreader
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Posted by bobandcarole on Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:44 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

ellice wrote: [quote:d8e24a5509]On 10/15/06 1:09 PM, "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole444@hotmail.com>
wrote: ellice wrote: Get a life of your own. And why don't you find some other homophobes to share your teeny weenie
thoughts with - as this has nothing to do with a needlework group. Ellice On 10/15/06 7:12 AM,
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote: A bunch of narrowminded crap that I've snipped
You couldn't see the truth if it was glued to your nose... Snipping again You mean censoring again, don't you? Why
don't you find some little circle of similarly limited unable to think for themselves isolationists and proselytize to
each other. Or better yet - just go ellice Apparently, Rep. Mark Foley is homosexual. And like many
homosexual[/quote:d8e24a5509] men, he likes young teen boys. We should pray for him that he gets a handle on this
problem and refrains from harming any more kids. Meanwhile, we need to wake up. The fact that this is typical behavior
for homosexuals doesn't stop us from continuing to elevate such folks to positions where they gain access to our kids.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52244

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Posted by Karen C - California on Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:40 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

bobandcarole wrote: [quote:72da651efd] And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. [/quote:72da651efd]
John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls.
Maybe the solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of
whom like young boys. MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as most heterosexual men
prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but unless you want all heteros condemned
because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God grant you the
wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid hatred which
is not Biblical. -- Karen C - California www.CFSfacts.org where we give you the facts and dispel the myths October
is Disability Awareness Month Finished 10/1/06 - Hats N Kats WIP: baby and housewarming gifts, July birthstone,
Flowers of Hawaii (Jeanette Crews) for ME!!! Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel LTR: Fireman's Prayer (#2),
Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com Design
page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html

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Posted by bobandcarole on Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:53 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Karen C - California wrote: [quote:8588653134]bobandcarole wrote: And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen
boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, [/quote:8588653134] Uh huh, that's why he wants a sex change.... also
worked in a field where he [quote:8588653134]had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the
solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like
young boys. Have you ever asked them???[/quote:8588653134] MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of
consent, [quote:8588653134]just as most heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer
children, but unless you want all heteros condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals
because a few are perverts. May God grant you the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to
practice it, instead of this rabid hatred which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt
pirates.[/quote:8588653134] [quote:8588653134] Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page
http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html[/quote:8588653134]

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Posted by T Michelle Jensen on Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:07 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

I just had to 'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-called 'butt pirates'. He even loves tax collectors and
Pharisees. This is supposed to be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could we drop the hate mail? Please??
-cocoa "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... [quote:2809a10559] Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole
wrote: And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh,
that's why he wants a sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are
you sure? Maybe the solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men,
NONE of whom like young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of
consent, just as most heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but
unless you want all heteros condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are
perverts. May God grant you the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it,
instead of this rabid hatred which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt pirates.
Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:2809a10559]

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Posted by Gill Murray on Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:32 AM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Michelle, These idiots are cross-posting, which you also did with your reply (gr). I am technologically challenged,
but I HOPE I got this right, and just posted to rctn. ignore the twits, and they will
disappear.......................I hope so, anyway Gillian T Michelle Jensen wrote: [quote:168c8cedfe]I just had to
'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-called 'butt pirates'. He even loves tax collectors and Pharisees. This is
supposed to be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could we drop the hate mail? Please?? -cocoa
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like
many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh, that's why he wants a
sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the
solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like
young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as
most heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but unless you want all
heteros condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God
grant you the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid
hatred which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt pirates. Editor/Proofreader
www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:168c8cedfe]

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Posted by Lucille on Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:22 AM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Hey There Gill, Welcome Home. Lucille "Gill Murray" <gillmurray1@nowhere.net> wrote in
message news:ruS%g.3578$GJ.1266@trnddc07... [quote:12d33a38af]Michelle, These idiots are cross-posting, which you also
did with your reply (gr). I am technologically challenged, but I HOPE I got this right, and just posted to rctn. ignore
the twits, and they will disappear.......................I hope so, anyway Gillian T Michelle Jensen wrote: I just had
to 'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-called 'butt pirates'. He even loves tax collectors and Pharisees. This is
supposed to be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could we drop the hate mail? Please?? -cocoa
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like
many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh, that's why he wants a
sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the
solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like
young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as
most heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but unless you want all
heteros condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God
grant you the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid
hatred which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt pirates. Editor/Proofreader
www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:12d33a38af]

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Posted by Conrad Kayne on Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:23 AM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Forgive my shaky history, but isn't Jesus dead? - What's with all this present tense? T Michelle Jensen wrote:
[quote:103848bbd3]I just had to 'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-called 'butt pirates'. He even loves tax
collectors and Pharisees. This is supposed to be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could we drop the hate mail?
Please?? -cocoa "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like
many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh, that's why he wants a
sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the
solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like
young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as most
heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but unless you want all heteros
condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God grant you
the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid hatred
which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt pirates. Editor/Proofreader
www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:103848bbd3]

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Posted by bobandcarole on Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:39 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

T Michelle Jensen wrote: [quote:4a68150b97]I just had to 'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-called 'butt
pirates'. He even loves tax collectors and Pharisees. [/quote:4a68150b97] Ironically, tax collectors are also known for
screwing people the wrong way. This is supposed to [quote:4a68150b97]be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could
we drop the hate mail? Please?? Not hate mail, just a concerned American making a stand. -cocoa
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like
many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh, that's why he wants a
sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the
solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like
young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as most
heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but unless you want all heteros
condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God grant you
the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid hatred
which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt pirates. Editor/Proofreader
www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:4a68150b97]

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Posted by Mark Cipra on Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:11 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

bobandcarole wrote: [quote:7b61a5959f]T Michelle Jensen wrote: I just had to 'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-
called 'butt pirates'. He even loves tax collectors and Pharisees. Ironically, tax collectors are also known for
screwing people the wrong way. This is supposed to be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could we drop the hate
mail? Please?? Not hate mail, just a concerned American making a stand. [/quote:7b61a5959f] How about at least dropping
humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare from the cross-posting. [quote:7b61a5959f] -cocoa "bobandcarole"
<bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Karen
C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr,
who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh, that's why he wants a sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to
kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me,
I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men
prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as most heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each
group who prefer children, but unless you want all heteros condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all
homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God grant you the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor"
means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid hatred which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as
they aren't butt pirates. Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page
http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:7b61a5959f] -- Mark Cipra "Nothing is so dangerous as being too
modern. One is apt to grow old-fashioned quite suddenly". Wilde Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in
my address to reply by email.

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Posted by bobandcarole on Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:53 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Karen C - California wrote: [quote:d8bdb08748]bobandcarole wrote: And like many homosexual men, he likes young teen
boys. I know a number of homosexual men who do NOT like teen boys. They decry pedophilia just as much as the heteros
I know. Maybe you should go out and meet some homosexuals Why would I do that?[/quote:d8bdb08748] I'm not
homosexual............ to find out what [quote:d8bdb08748]they're really like, [/quote:d8bdb08748] I've read all about
what they are "really like" instead of believing what you've been brainwashed with. Knowing the facts
isn't brainwashing. >

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Posted by bobandcarole on Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:33 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

Conrad Kayne wrote: [quote:fe676e6e7a]Forgive my shaky history, but isn't Jesus dead? - What's with all this present
tense? T Michelle Jensen wrote: I just had to 'butt' in here - Jesus even loves the so-called 'butt pirates'. He
even loves tax collectors and Pharisees. This is supposed to be a needlework group, or am I mistaken? could we drop
the hate mail? Please?? -cocoa "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161809616.487425.173810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like
many homosexual men, he likes young teen boys. John Mark Karr, who is NOT homosexual, Uh huh, that's why he wants a
sex change.... also worked in a field where he had access to kids. He prefers little girls. Are you sure? Maybe the
solution is to not let any adult work with children? Trust me, I know a number of homosexual men, NONE of whom like
young boys. Have you ever asked them??? MOST homosexual men prefer other adults above the age of consent, just as most
heterosexual men prefer adult women. There are a few in each group who prefer children, but unless you want all heteros
condemned because a few are perverts, then don't condemn all homosexuals because a few are perverts. May God grant you
the wisdom to understand what "love thy neighbor" means, and to practice it, instead of this rabid hatred
which is not Biblical. But I do love my neighbors..as long as they aren't butt pirates. Editor/Proofreader
www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html [/quote:fe676e6e7a]

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Posted by fritz on Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:36 PM    Post subject: Re: Sexual fascism and the Mark Foley scandal

bobandcarole wrote: [quote:2e84a2083d]Karen C - California wrote: bobandcarole wrote: And like many homosexual men, he
likes young teen boys. I know a number of homosexual men who do NOT like teen boys. They decry pedophilia just as much
as the heteros I know. Maybe you should go out and meet some homosexuals Why would I do that? I'm not
homosexual............ to find out what they're really like, I've read all about what they are "really like"
instead of believing what you've been brainwashed with. Knowing the facts isn't brainwashing. [/quote:2e84a2083d] So
you want to believe what you've been brainwashed with. -- Fritz ... -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium
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View entire thread: OT: Bought some Lunch Tins to Alter
Posted by Deb in AR on Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:39 PM    Post subject: Re: Bought some Lunch Tins to Alter

I know you'll have fun altering those! I bought some purse tins a few months ago. Used some of them at stamp camp for
card organizers. Mine's almost full, which means I haven't been sending any cards. LOL Way to go Deb...make the
cards but don't share them. LOL I used a few more a couple weekends ago with a couple young teen girls from church.
I can't wait to see what you do with them! -- Deb in AR - Desert Rat at heart!
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bsrdjr@sbcglobal.net/my_photos Independent Stampin' Up! Demonstrator Pages complete 2006
= 3 Goal for 2006: 1 LO a week "Marilyn" <nospam@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pnIDg.40944$Ca.14518@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... [quote:09557dc57a]Hi folks...finally bought some Lunch Tins to
have a go at altering them. As usual I had to look for a cheap option since the Provocraft ones are around £5.00. here
in the UK. I manage to pick up these at the local Asda for £2.85
http://community.webshots.com/photo/2572964330065644347TtvYGV and will probably use them for storage after I alter them.
I am all for being thrifty....must be the canny Scot in me.....hahaha! -- Take care, Marilyn [/quote:09557dc57a]

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View entire thread: OT: growl, grumble frustration runs high!! lol really just
Posted by Deb in AR on Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:47 PM    Post subject: Re: growl, grumble frustration runs high!! lol (HEE HEE!!)

*throws a flip-flop at Dave* Really! I really was the good teenager. According to my parents, all the rebellion you
do as a teen, I did before I was 5. LOL -- Deb in AR - Desert Rat at heart!
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bsrdjr@sbcglobal.net/my_photos Independent Stampin' Up! Demonstrator Pages complete 2006
= 3 Goal for 2006: 1 LO a week "OKC Dave" <The2ndspiketoo@webtv.net> wrote in message news:25179-
44DA599E-1405@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net... [quote:e691d4b4b4]Deb said - ""LOL I was the good teenager in
the family! "" gulp, ppffttrttt, cough, gasp!!! And the child of a preacher - ROTFLMAO!!!!! Oh, MC where in
the devil is your alpha bag? It must have gotten left in the car or the rain- LOL!! (humm, wondering where to hide now,
APRIL?? I need a safe place to hide!!)) OKC Dave Check out my pix and crafts!
http://community.webshots.com/user/dspiketoo [/quote:e691d4b4b4]

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View entire thread: OT: growl, grumble frustration runs high!! lol really just
Posted by kenda on Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:29 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: growl, grumble frustration runs high!! lol really ju

You are so right Michelle! I really hadn't thought about it like that, the pressure from all sides, that's a really
good way to put it as that's what it feels like. The problem is DH does remember what he was like as a teen driver,
HORRIBLE!! I think that is why he is so hard on DS. Things will eventually ease up, it will just take a while. I am
still looking for that island. -- Kenda (remove NOSPAM to reply) http://community.webshots.com/user/kendalee101
pages in 2006: 37 cards in 2006: 179 Mini albums: 1 (Wedding album for exhusband and new wife! how weird it that?
LOL) 1 ( for my 6 y/o niece's visit) Quilts: 6 <mike8657@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1155478625.755106.306420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quote:9ce68092b7]It sounds like your getting pressure
from all sides. Your hubby needs to remember when he was a teenager although that is easier said then done. Hope things
get better for you soon! Oh when you find that island can i come along? lol Hope you have a good day. Michelle
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